Kaisha: All right.

Thursday, 4:20 PM.

Eastern.

That means it's time for office hours.

AROYA's weekly session for
cultivators to hear from the experts

and talk to each other about what
they're seeing with their grows.

My name is Kaisha.

I'm your co coming at you
from what Pullman, Washington.

And I'm not the only one.

Welcome back from vacation.

Mandy: Oh my gosh.

Hey Kaisha.

Hey everyone.

So it's like to be here
in person for episode 38.

Can you guys believe it?

So yeah, we're also going live
over on YouTube pretty soon.

So I'll be monitoring for those
questions as they roll in just

a couple more reminders to check
out our Instagram and our TikTok.

Make sure you're following
us over there for all new.

Yeah, so we have a bunch
of questions that came in.

So I'll just go ahead
and pass back to the team

Kaisha: in the podcast room.

Yay.

Thanks Mandy.

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Like what you see here
today, Seth and Jason.

Up guys.

How are you?

Good, good to see you in person.

This is weird.

This is weird, but in a
really, really good way.

All right.

Are you ready for our first
question from Instagram?

Yeah.

Okay.

It comes from CA Randy.

They wrote in struggling to
hit runoff percentage in P one.

And they're looking for the
best strategy to increase shot

duration, number of shots or both.

That's what the question is.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

So.

Typically the way I would approach that,
you know, if I'm trying to increase how

much I'm applying in P one, I first start
with the I mean, obviously too, this

depends on whether you're in generative
or vegetative, but I would potentially

not potentially for sure start with
increasing my shot volume before jumping

to an increase in number of shots.

But if you hit that point where, you
know, in cocoa, we're looking at up

to 10% rockwool, usually up to six,
seven at a certain point, that shot

becomes so big that we'll actually push
runoff before we hit field capacity.

That's why we're breaking it up
into, you know, 3, 4, 5 smaller

shots rather than one big one.

Kaisha: Yeah.

Anything to add to that?

Jason, look at that.

Seth.

Got it down.

Sweet.

All right, let's move on to the next one.

Thank you for that question.

CACO Randy.

All right.

Bigsby has is asking also along the lines
of P one P one irrigation shot size Coco

versus rockwool, more smaller shots in
rockwool versus less larger shots in Coco.

That is all they posted.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, it kind of
follows with the last one, you know,

typically cocoa, it depends on the chop.

Depends on the mix.

Can take a bit larger shot
size than rockwool before

creating that early runoff.

So, you know, what we're looking
at seeing is in generative.

Up to a 5, 6, 7, typically in
rockwool, you know, eight to 10

in Coco is about as big as we go.

Like I said, after that, if you go
out and actually watch your plants

water, you're gonna see runoff
before your volumetric water content

actually hits field capacity.

Jason: Yeah.

A little bit of this is actually, it's
gonna be depend on how old the plant is,

how much rip bound is in that subject.

Obviously, when we think about
how much material is actually.

The root zone.

When we start to get later in flour,
there's a lot of rats in there,

especially if we're in appropriate
size media, we're taking advantage

of pretty much every, every inch or
every cubic volume of that substrate.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah,
that's a good point.

Jason, compared to you know, ripening
compared to early flower generative.

When I said 10, we might be looking at
more like a four or five, you know, if

we've got a really root bound plant,
that's, that's a great thing to bring up.

if you wanna visualize it, it totally
makes sense if you pull it outta

that pot and you see there's almost
no cocoa left, at the end of that

run that's those are always fun.

And,

Jason: you know, I, I think, you know,
traditionally we always think about

being bound as a bad thing for the plant.

Like we're choking out
the, the roots and sure.

If you're, if you're hitting way, way too,
too rebound, you can start to do that.

In this industry where we're running
hydroponics, we don't necessarily

need the root zone for volume.

We just want to create somewhere
where we can get nutrients something

for infrastructure for those roots.

So most of the time, I'm not too
concerned about getting root bound.

But definitely if you're your substrate's
too small, you're more likely to

have issues with crop steering as
far as being able to stay enough

irrigation in the substrate when you're
running generative just with the P.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

And you know, some of that too will
come back to like deciding what you

want to do with your substrate size.

You know, are you a person that
likes to veg my plants up more and

top 'em back before I go in or am
I gonna veg as little as possible?

And then just decide which
battle you wanna pick more?

You know, are you gonna be battling root,
binding more, or you gonna be battling?

Okay.

Now I might have to grow more
plants cuz they're a little

smaller and veggie and quicker.

Kaisha: choosing that battle, right?

The life of a cultivator.

All right, we're gonna move on to EC.

We've gotten a couple questions on that.

French flare wrote in, they had a
question about electrical conductivity.

What is the difference between
runoff C and substrate EC?

Jason: Sure.

So we'll just start off with
the physical difference.

Obviously, runoff EC is when we're
got catch cup underneath the substrate

or multiple substrates for trying
to, to get an average over a few

plants use them typically just to.

In, in solution TDS probe for
electro connectivity of the nutrients

in, in that that runoff, it's a
great time to check for pH two.

When we're looking at substrate EC
that's usually something that's a

little bit, you know, more complex.

There's a lot less sensors on
the market in order to do that,

obvious would see arterials got
three prongs that we're going right

into the side of the substrate.

Typically, you know, the, the reference
of the two values is gonna depend

on how much runoff you have and
how, how long you're catching that.

So, you know, if we look at right
off the bat, sometimes we'll see

that that runoff see a little bit
higher than the substrate EC is.

It's pushed in some of the the
concentrated nutrients out of

the bottom of the, the plant.

And then usually, you know, later
through runoff, we'll actually see.

Runoff EC being lower
than the substrate EC.

So, Both good values.

I like substrate EC because we're
looking at time series data chart.

And so we can see the dynamics when we
are irrigating, especially if we're doing,

you know, 12, 15 shots a day through some
of the vegetative steering techniques.

You get an idea of all.

When we apply this biggest shot, it
changes my substrate EC to this amount.

And you know, one thing also to
think about in the substrate.

There is variation of water
content and EC throughout there.

That's why it's really important to
use our Terra 12 installation template

tools, because we've done quite a bit
of testing on where at, in the substrate

we can get the best measurement.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

And I think, I think you nailed
Jason that time series data is what's

really important there with runoff EC.

All we're getting is that little snippet.

And really, if we wanted to compare that
to how we were gonna approach this and.

You know, a soil analytics lab
or something, getting that number

using, you know, a diluted nutrient.

Solution's not gonna give us
a very accurate result, right?

Like you, or I would probably want
to use deionized water, go in and

say, what's actually coming out.

That's a good analytical sample.

Well, that's not practical in production.

So we want to see, okay.

Not just that lowest point of EC at full
saturation, but we wanna see that range.

You know, if we're trying
to push drive back.

And also push a little higher EC if
I can't see that actual range, what

my highest point in EC is, I might
think I've got a nutrient deficiency.

I might chase all kinds of other
problems that might just be because

I'm over drying a few percent.

Jason: Yep.

Yeah.

You're.

Exactly right.

And kinda one of the practices that
we usually recommend for people

that have just gotten their array
system is continue to use both since

you're used to doing that runoff data
and you know, log it in the system

in Aurora right next to your EC.

So put the time in, when, you know,
when you captured that information

and put the value in, and then you can
compare that into your substrate, you

see and say, Hey, now that I have a
lot more resolution to my data, this is

how it compares to, to how I had been.

You know, and typically by the end
of a run or maybe two runs, you can

transfer away, save some labor and stop
taking runoff rings and just get used

to trusting your substrate sensors.

Seth Baumgartner: Mm-hmm yeah.

And you know, here's another reality
too, unless you're running the

same strain with the same media
and the same nutrients for time.

Amor immor you do want to go
out and take runoff samples to

look at your pH, especially when
you're dialing a new strain.

So it's one of those just, you
know, best gardening practices

to be out there collecting that.

And then learning how to compare it and
learning which values should concern you.

What shouldn't like if I'm taking runoff
samples and I look at PPM, I'm not gonna

say I totally ignore that, but unless
I see something crazy, unbelievable,

you know, 5,000 plus or something on
the PPM scale, I'm not really gonna

look that hearted and I'm gonna say
what's going on in the root zone.

And then if those two things
don't, you know, come close

to lining up during runoff.

Alright.

Maybe I might go take my solos
and check some other pots.

Am I stabbed into an abnormal?

, you know, first, the first thing to
always do is trust that the sensor's

not lying to you, but the reasons that
you might think it could be lying are

sometimes pretty simple, dry pocket.

You're getting a salty
pocket in the block.

I mean, these are pretty
precise instruments.

And I would say just having a
background in using a lot of scientific

instruments, we have probably the
most simple installation protocol.

just about any kind of precise
instrument on the market.

And.

It's not entirely easy to mess
up, but you also count on human

error every once in a while, as.

Jason: And kind of just, you know, when
we're thinking about in application, how

are some of the best ways to log this?

Well, definitely use your manual
readings on your AROYA mobile app.

It's super easy.

You know, you just stay, it can be
stayed, logged in, just hit the, the

app button and then there's a little
plus and the bottom left and it's

gonna snap those manual readings.

So just get those put in there.

Another thing to kind of keep in mind is.

You know, like how I started this
question was talking about how many

plants are we capturing, right.

The sample size.

So if we are doing it by strain,
are we picking enough samples to

represent what's going on in that area?

If you have good drain systems
where you've got like a trap,

that's a great spot to put in a
time series, you know, in ES two and

start kind of get an idea of all.

When I look at the entire
population, you know, the, the

systematic EUC of the runoff.

Have that against the system
compared to your input, you

see, and your substrate sees,

Kaisha: I gotta say it's really cool
to experience the nuggets of wisdom

being dropped in person in real time.

Extremely excited to be here.

Okay.

So thank you so much for that question.

One of our live attendees had he
raised his hand here, Johnny, can you

unmute yourself and ask your question?

Mm-hmm we can't hear you, Johnny.

So Johnny do us a favor.

If you could just type your
question in the chat, I'm

gonna go ahead and speak to it.

In the meantime, let me go ahead
and take Michael's question here.

Michael wants to know what EC and
PPF would you recommend running moms?

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

Okay.

Sorry.

Sure.

You weren't doing something.

Yeah.

Oh, typically a two to three
C and at least 600 PFD.

I mean, you don't want your clones
to be incredibly stretched out.

We want robust, well, hardened off clones.

So pretty similar to coming outta bed,
you know, not encouraging you to put

your moms right next to your output
bench on your bedroom, but we're not

looking at anything terribly special.

And honestly, probably one of the biggest
things to look at is how much internet

space you're getting on your clients.

and then, you know, looking at
your training strategies and okay.

Do we need to uplight intensity
to shorten that internet space?

Do we want uplight intensity
to get a little faster growth?

Personally?

I like running 'em in a little
higher light intensity, cuz that

means the clones I'm pulling off
of those can take more light.

They're a little more hardened off.

They have a higher chlorophyll
content, more chloro plus

in their individual cells.

That's what I want to do typically.

Jason: Yeah, just to, to add to that,
you know, when we're talking about

some of those parameters, also keep
in mind the CO2 impact in there.

Mm-hmm you definitely wanna be running
supplemental CO2 with your moms.

It's gonna be absolutely worth it.

When we look at your cutting
health and that the cutting count

that you can get off those moms
they're gonna grow nice and fast.

So I was always, you know,
just kind of a, a rule thumb.

It's not exact there's, there's
lots of charts up there that tell.

Relationship between the appropriate CO2
PPM levels and the amount of PF D that

you're putting into there with light.

And but usually, you know, I talk about
having you know, what was it CO2 about

200 points off of your PPF D yeah,

Seth Baumgartner: PF D plus 200 to two 50.

And that's usually a nice cushion and.

you know, luckily, so far CO2
usually isn't that expensive.

So that 200 PPM isn't
gonna break the bank.

Jason: Well, you know, when we
think about improving processes,

if we are getting a fast.

It's gonna translate all the way
throughout that plant lifecycle.

I, you know, I definitely think
that cloning is an area where

SOPs are extremely important.

You know, if you can keep a similar
cloning staff that is used to the way

that you're doing it, you're gonna
have much less problems down the road.

And, you know, as, as we know, the, if
you do run into problems, they're way

easier to correct when these plants are.

Kaisha: Michael.

Thank you so much for your question.

Good to see you.

Glad you joined us today.

All right, Johnny.

Thank you for typing your
question in the chat here.

Here is Johnny's question.

I'm asking about Fox tailing.

Why does it happen?

What can we do to mitigate?

Is there any way to help control via
crop steering or more so or more?

So a strained nutrient issue.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

So typically when I've seen
Fox tailing in the past, it's

generally a heat related issue.

And what that is is certain strains.

It's just a genetic trait, right?

In the presence of high heat, they will
stretch out and produce Foxtails that's

to help dissipate heat within the plant.

That's why we see, you know, if we look
back at some like land, race varieties

from equatorial areas, a lot of times
they don't have little tight NUS.

Like we like.

Pretty blown out in Fox taily.

Typically it's a heat problem
combined with that genetic trigger.

So if a strain's gonna do it and
you run that thing above 85 to 90

degrees, you're most likely gonna
get some Fox tailing and a big place.

I actually see it is when people
are really trying to crank that

PPF D with their H I D lights.

As they're starting to lower
that sometimes the top, those

top colas top layer NUS will
start to see some Fox tailing.

Because if you take your thermometer
and go shine it at it, your room

might be 77, but that top just a foot
under the light might be like 95.

Yeah.

Jason: This is where,
you know, tracking your.

crop recipes is so important.

If you can detail a harvest group and
be like, well, we saw foxtail and two

out of the three strains in this room.

Well, now we know that the one strain
is, is probably better suited for

how you ran that environment and some
of those irrigation parameters and.

The answer of mitigating
with crop steering.

Absolutely.

When we, we talk about crop steering in
here, a lot of times we are focused on

irrigation just simply because it is a
major factor and, and we kind of are, are

compounding on, what's kind of known in
environment about crop steering, but it's

all of those parameters combined, right?

And typically we want some type
of balance between all of those.

You know, if we're running an extremely
generative type of irrigation system,

sometimes we want to be a little bit.

In our, our humidity and and
temperatures in those rooms.

So just kind of keep in mind
how all of those are playing

on, on the plant physiology.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, absolutely.

We're talking about a dynamic environment.

You know, if we want the
dry backs, we need the VPD.

If we want the VPD, we've gotta have
the environmental control to achieve it.

So it, it isn't, it's never just
any of those one, one factor such as

irrigation or nutrients, that's for sure.

And, you know, on the foxtail topic,
one thing that I like to point out to

people, and they're real concerned about.

Man, unless you're trying to shove
that top nugget into a single jar as

long as the rest of the, Nugget's fine.

If you just got a few, Foxtails usually
that's an easy problem to trim out.

And then, like Jason said, look at, look
at your holistic approach next time.

And if you are seeing Foxtails honestly,
one of the biggest things is have

that patience to finish that run and
look at the whole run day by day.

At the end of it, don't look
at what happened last week.

Don't look at what happened yesterday.

Look at what happened two months
ago, and then everything in between.

Cuz sometimes it's easy to miss, you
know, a big mistake just because you see

all these little issues that are popping
up and you're dealing with every day.

Take a bunch

Jason: of pictures.

If you can do a picture of each
strain in the room every day,

that's gonna give you an idea of.

Stage those things really started
developing the wrong morphology

that you ideally were shooting for.

And sometimes it's, you know, maybe
in the last week, maybe it started

doing that three weeks in and that'll
also help you identify some of the

environmental irrigation based parameters
that that led up to that response.

Kaisha: Hmm.

I love that.

Just reminding everybody that
your, your data is your, those

are those metrics are valuable.

Finding the trends in, in what's going
on with your cultivation, being able to

track it and being able to identify stuff.

That's so cool.

Okay.

I've got another question from Instagram.

Oh, wait.

I think we had some shout
outs from YouTube, right?

Mandy?

Yeah.

So

Mandy: we got a couple
shout outs over on YouTube.

Some people.

Saying, Hey, we got some people
from Hawaii giving us shoutouts.

That's from Greg.

We have couple of cultivators
out in Oklahoma city.

So yeah, just saying how to you
guys if you have any questions,

make sure you submit 'em and I'll
make sure I get 'em to the team.

Kaisha: Yeah.

Thanks Mandy.

Hey, what's up to everybody out
there so glad to have y'all on.

All right, we're gonna
keep it moving berserk.

Or 10 15 wrote in what do you want
the EC substrate to be at, during.

Jason: So we, we go over this
quite a few, quite a few times.

And when we are looking at time
series data there could be a massive

discrepancy in our irrigation.

Well, our, our substrate EC at irrigation.

Versus just before irrigation.

So I full, dry back and probably
the biggest dynamics that we

are gonna see is at harvest.

So, you know, if we've dropped our,
our feed EC maybe to, you know, three

quarters or half strength, nutrients we
could be going in at say, you know, one

and a half or two EC in the feed levels.

And that substrate EC is
gonna drop down quite a bit.

When we irrigate with that a
little, slightly less nutrient

rich water than we're used to.

The thing is, is we're pushing
massive dry backs during this riping

phase, because one we're, you know,
trying to, to signal this plant

to finish up as best as possible.

And two, we have huge plants
that are transpiring a lot.

And so, you know, we could see a range
spike of, you know, anywhere between say,

On the low end at two, if you've got a
lot of runoff and at the high end 1520

you know, this is one stage where I don't
necessarily get too worried about really

high ECS because we're, we're taking these
plants down soon, and we're not gonna

necessarily risk any detrimental effects.

So yeah, it's gonna depend on
when you're taking that substrate

EC during between irrigations.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, I think there's.

One big thing to remember about all this.

When you're looking at EC in the root
zone, is that interaction that salt

water actually has with the plant.

So when we're talking about a nutrient
solution, a big part that we're talking

about is osmotic stress on the plant.

And not that we're always stressing the
plant hard, but the plant has to adapt

to that changing osmotic environment.

. So when we come into the end,
you know, there is no hard, fast

rule on what EC we want to be at.

Like Jason said, some plants
might be up at that 14, 15.

I've seen some that are finishing
and 10 on the low end and 22, 23

on the upper end at the dry side.

And guess what?

They looked great.

You know what happened though?

That particular person
got their EC up early on.

They maintained a relatively high EC and.

Realize that if they were to drop that
right out, they were really gonna change

that root zone environment, probably
at the detriment to the plant's roots.

So when we're talking about root zone
EC, you know, number one, tapering

off feed like Jason was talking
about, we do want to taper that

down, but we don't wanna drop it out.

We don't wanna hit two weeks
before and just start flushing

everything out of there.

We want to gently bring that down.

If we're going.

and then also think about what you're
actually putting in, you know, I'm not

gonna name any specifically, but I do
know a lot of people that will fish to

switch to a finishing product so that
they can maintain EC in their feed.

Say it that 1.5 to 2.0, but they're
pulling back nitrogen, they're

pulling back other elements that
they know the plant's not gonna

use during that time period.

And there are products out there that
do kind of give you a one stop solution

for that and make it easier rather
than you trying to worry about, okay.

Do I pull.

Part a part, you know, what
am I pulling out here to make

sure I'm not messing it up?

And if you're not gonna take it super
far, I would highly recommend just

what Jason said, you know, taper
down your PDC and slowly ride it out.

Yeah.

And

Jason: I talked about
this already here today.

It's if you can document what worked
well, that's gonna get you so far

ahead on each of these strains
and you won't be chasing your.

Try not to modify too many variables.

So if, you know, if you say, Hey, this,
this nutrient level was good for this

strain type during that run, well, then
keep it there for a few runs and maybe try

and play with something else that you're
looking to optimize at your facility.

Kaisha: All right.

I think we're moving over to YouTube.

We've got some questions
over there, right?

Mandy?

Yeah, we did

Mandy: have a couple questions rolling.

John Simone wants to know.

my plants had tight nuggets
until three weeks before harvest.

Then they loosened up.

I believe it was because I
didn't know about crop steering.

I was running 20% dry back.

I increased dry back to 40% and
a little bit of clarification.

I'm in five gallon cloth pots with
cocoa per light mix and 800 wa LEDs.

Any advice?

Jason: It's hard to say, you
know, without having some detailed

graphs of all the inputs in their
relationship to your plants.

I would probably, yeah.

Look at irrigation, timing changes and
runoffs and nutrient concentrations

to think about you know, that
plant might be running a little

bit more generative or excuse me,
I'm a little bit more vegetative

and you didn't run your generat.

Steering quite long enough.

You know, obviously if you didn't
know about crop steering, then you're

probably somewhere in the, the balance.

If you're in five gallon,
soft pots, there's a chance

you're also hand watering.

And so kind of, kind of hard
for us to just nail it down

to, to one, one factor here.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

I mean, personally, I, I would have
to guess that if you're using it per

light mix, you probably don't have
a very high water holding capacity

in your media, which means there's a
good chance that you're not able to

achieve a full 22 hour drive back in.

That's been my experience in
running, you know, a 50, 50 or

a 30, 70 per light cocoa mix.

You know, as you're moving forward and
learning to grow with sensors and actually

stop leaning on, like, let's say per
light as a crutch, there's a lot better

possibility that you can run generatively
at the end, because that would typically

be a classic sign of like, we see this all
the time with people running in the hug.

They flip a plant too big.

Everything's going good.

Then we get to that last three
weeks and it's like, wow.

If we go two hours without
watering, we have a pretty much a

wilting plant and I I'm not there.

So I can't know if that's exactly what
you're experiencing, but it really,

it sounds a lot like that to me.

Yeah,

Jason: he might just be
on the other end of that.

And if I have gallon soft pot we could
be growing some seriously massive plants.

Yeah.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

And you know, one thing I remember
too, if you have that high per like

concentration in there, even if
we're not giving it a lot of water,

we do have a bigger, poor space.

We are able to introduce more
oxygen into that root zone.

So even though we're not pulsing it
quite as much in totality, we're putting

more oxygen into the root zone and that
per light's holding it there longer.

So not intentional.

Unintentionally vegetative.

Yeah.

Mandy: You'll have to let us know John,
if that answered your question and yeah.

Stick with us so we can learn
more about craft sharing and we

can get to the bottom of this.

We also got a shout out from I believe
the cultivated in Oklahoma city.

Happy to be here, been using
AROYA for a year, and it's very

Kaisha: helpful.

Great to hear.

Oh, we love to hear that.

So welcome.

Welcome.

So glad to have y'all here.

All right.

We back to Instagram.

Question from Kevin's greens.

How do you humidify your room
without calcifying everything

Jason: first best step would be running
your humidifier water through your RO.

So, that's gonna.

Be the, probably the easiest factor to,
to try and help, help out with that.

And then also have, you know,
high quality humidifier in there.

So, you know, if you can use
something that does vaporize that

water as best as possible, it's less
likely to build up any minerals on

Seth Baumgartner: your surfaces.

Yep.

You know, a lot of girls will know
if I joke about smaller bubbles.

In things smaller droplets
are, are better just like

smaller bubbles at dispersing.

What we wanna disperse here.

Jason: And then obviously it's
always good to do a good, good

room clean afterwards mm-hmm but
so obviously as usual, prevention's

the best thing, but maintenance
is usually what it's gonna take.

Yep.

Hard

Seth Baumgartner: water
issues are never fun.

That's for sure.

I imagine if we're talking about
this, you might have, you know, some

interesting irrigation issues and stuff
that you deal with from time to time and.

Like Jason said our as much as a lot
of us don't wanna pay for it, going

back to a highly filtered water source
sometimes is the easiest, easiest

solution to dealing with, you know,
clogging equipment and hard water issues.

Mm-hmm

Kaisha: wonderful.

Thank you all for that, that answer.

Keeping it moving here.

Drunk, drunk nomad, 40 ounce wants
to know and great handle by the way.

They're looking for tips on how
to control the three week stretch.

Any thoughts on that?

Jason: Generative steering.

Yep.

Seth Baumgartner: Long dry backs,
higher humidity, not high, high

humidity, but you know, we're
looking at that 1.9 to 1.1, 1.2 VP.

That way we're not, you know, we
always wanna think of the air, like

a person sucking up through a straw.

If they're sucking really, really hard
suddenly we, you know, get that nice

empty sound at the bottom with the ice.

Yeah.

If we suck a little slower,
we can draw that out.

It's a great

Kaisha: analogy.

Thank you.

All right.

Gonna keep it going.

And just a reminder to those of us who
are those of you all who are on with us,

live type your questions into the chat.

So we can get you to talk to the experts.

This is the best chance.

All right.

King green beast.

These handles love them, wants
to know what result differences

have been recorded on 6% dry back
versus 4% on P two waterings.

Seth Baumgartner: any thoughts on,
as far as like results require, I

would say that the frequency of P
two, two waterings and their effects

are highly strained dependent.

So some strains that naturally
grow more generatively.

We can hit that with you know,
say as many P two S as we want.

And at that point, we're looking at
more like a 1% drive back between P

two S if we're looking at four versus.

The reality is not so much that that
four to 6% affects anything on the plant.

It's about the time
between the two irrigation.

So we're talking about going two
thirds as long, or the whole way.

If we're talking about four versus six
and plant to plant, that's actually

gonna vary a lot in how it affects it.

Like I said, some plants that grow more
generatively, they're gonna respond

to this bulking by just swelling up.

If we look at some plants that
classically grow a lot more vegetatively.

Always talk about it.

You know, the classic diesels, some
of the hazes, anything that we always

thought was a sativa that ran 10 weeks.

Typically what we're gonna look at
is like, yeah, we probably aren't

gonna hit those super hard with the
P two S cuz we're not trying to get

'em to stretch up into the ceiling.

You know, we might run something like
that generatively most of the way

through, just because, you know, after
a few times running, it tried bulking

and we always suffer a quality loss
and then we're looking at a strain.

you know, may not be worth your time to
try to grow in your particular facility.

Mm-hmm . If you're trying to
plan a business, you've gotta

keep everything lined up so
that you've got reliable income.

If I'm switching from eight weeks
to 10 weeks to nine weeks, different

strains every time, and I'm making
constant sacrifices for my other

plans, cuz I've got these finicky ones.

Well, I'm leaving a lot on the table
and I've gotta decide whether I want

to, you know, focus on that one stream.

That's really hard to grow
because it doesn't play happy

in the same room as the others.

or throw that out and keep moving on,
you know, there's a whole world of

genetics out there and fortunately it
just keeps getting better all the time.

That's been my experience.

yeah,

Jason: kind of, I absolutely agree with
you and it may not make that big, a

difference between, you know, say a 4%
and 6%, especially considering the time

spacing what it might make a difference
on is how you can operate your facility.

Do you have appropriate pump sizing
that you can time these irrigations

correctly you know, are your emitter
sizes so that you can get those

shots in there fast enough or slow?

In order to, to hit the timing across all
your rooms and then those sorts of things.

So kind of probably more operationally
focused than necessarily plant physiology

when you're, when you're that close

Seth Baumgartner: together.

Oh yeah.

Certainly at a big facility, you know,
when we're talking about a pump that

can only operate, let's say two zones
at a time and I've got 20 in that room.

I've gotta plan that into my planning.

If it's not possible for me to start back.

Inside of that time period, then obviously
we're not gonna be able to do that.

So we'll have to go to the six.

And so the four sometimes
you're absolutely right, Jason.

Jason: Yeah.

And if you, you know, if you're
in a wonderful spot where you have

the luxury to do whatever you want,
keep track of your EC modulation.

So look at that time series EC and
decide is the 4% or the 6% achieving

me a little bit better dynamics with
my nutrient content in the substrate.

Mm-hmm

Kaisha: great.

All right, keeping them moving.

Our next question from Instagram
comes from Sergio JN 12.

They're looking for tips on
growing in six by six rock wall.

Any recommendations for that

Jason: Chrome fast,

Seth Baumgartner: keep 'em short.

Do you know the people I know
that are still trying to rock

that in a commercial level?

Some of 'em are getting back
to like a seven to eight day

edge, flipping them small.

That way they can still finish the plant.

My advice in that is, I, I really
hope you didn't buy too many of those.

And I would look at investing in a
little bit different rockwool media

slabs aren't the only solution.

But one thing to think about is
that six by six by six has, you

know, only a six by six footprint.

Most of our waters and the
bottom two inches of that.

That's why slabs are bigger on the bottom.

And we have that small block on top.

So realize the limits of your media
size, I guess, would be the biggest tip.

You know,

Jason: if, if you've got like a two
or three tier facility in each room

where you don't have necessarily as
much head space as possible, sometimes

six by six, isn't a bad option,
simply because you're gonna push more

generatively throughout that plant cycle.

And and try to optimize the shorter space
that you have with the number of plants.

Usually that means that
yeah, shorter VE times.

And definitely trying, trying, not
run into a situation where you.

Run generatively because you've
run out of substrate capacity.

Yeah.

Seth Baumgartner: It's, it's
important to know your facility and

realize what you're actually gonna
be able to accomplish in there.

If before you were growing in three
and a half gallon cocoa pots and

growing five, six foot tall plants,
and you want the same kind of plant

density planting with Hugos the
six by six by six S your strategy's

gonna have to be vastly different.

Everything's gonna change all at.

and if you're not aware of
those limitations that you put

yourself into, you're gonna
have a really rough first run.

If you can look at it and look at
some of the parameters Jason was

talking about, like, instead of
saying, how do I adapt this big or

this rockwool block to my facility?

It's more like, what's the optimum
facility for this to be growing in.

And is that me and yeah, for like a lot
of double tiered customers, for sure.

You know, if you're running double
tier and you've got four and a

half feet of overhead, well, yeah,
you probably should be saving some

money with your media, you know?

And then beyond that, we'll
start looking at like, all right.

Plant counts and what, you know, state
to state LA law, there's different

facility designs that, you know, work
better from a financial standpoint.

Mm-hmm so it's yeah.

There's no huge tips on that.

Just know what you're doing know
know you're growing in a small pot.

There we go.

That sounds

Kaisha: like a pretty solid tip to.

All right.

I think we've got a question from YouTube.

What's going on over there, Mandy?

Hey

Mandy: guys.

Yeah, we did get another
question over on YouTube.

LBC two OKC wants to know, do nighttime
temperature drops or increases have

major effects on plant stretching
during early flower generative stage.

Jason: That's a great question is
can be fairly extreme dependent.

And how much of a nighttime temperature
differential that you're pushing?

Yeah, it, it probably is gonna have
an effect on, on how much they're

stretching or, or not stretching.

Is it.

The only thing that's gonna affect that.

Absolutely not.

You know, we're looking at
nutrient contents, irrigation

numbers, light intensities.

Those are all factors that
are gonna have a huge play.

Are you ramping your
temperature differential?

Are you hitting it as a, you
know, one set point to lower set

point on a instantaneous, if you
will transition, those are, those

are all gonna come into play.

so I wish I could give you the exact
answer or tell you how much it plays

a part, but that's, that's more
variables than, than we can can deal

Seth Baumgartner: with.

Yeah.

If, if everything else was given
the same, we know that heat plays a

role in plant metabolism and growth.

So if we're slowing it down
for part of the day, we can

expect to see growth slowed.

to me, the bigger question is
why would I wanna slow that down?

Because if I've got my plant veg, if I've
got my veg down, I'm coming in with the

appropriate plant size, I actually do
want vigorous growth during that stretch.

But when I say vigorous growth,
I'm growing vigorously toward the

morphology that I want, that I desired.

So, if we're feeling like, you know,
our plants are coming in too big

at the end of stretch, we really
should be looking at our, how are

we treating those in veg coming?

, you know, what are we doing?

And, and on that range, like that
could go anywhere from like, are

we low light intensity in veg?

So we're stretching like crazy when
we get in, you know, there's a lot

of factors to look at there besides
just that temperature differential.

Overall though, that's why we
don't recommend running much of

a differential during stretch.

You know, if you naturally have a
couple degree swing, just because,

Hey, the sun went down and I've
got this retrofitted building.

That's not freezer panels.

Well, that's.

Typically though we wanna
see that fairly stable.

And another part of that too,
is, you know, during stretch, we

also kind of wanna minimize that
VPD ranging throughout the day.

We want to keep that at
a pretty steady rate.

That way our drive backs are predictable.

You know, cuz at first during stretch,
they're gonna be, it's gonna be hard to

get that huge drive back by week three.

Sometimes we might be hitting that point
where we're putting a maintenance shot on.

So we want a really predictable
environment because if we can get

through that first stretch, maintaining.

Not having to necessarily
put on maintenance shots.

We can really push it generatively and
then also nail that transition into veg

and set ourselves up for success there.

Jason: Yeah.

That's, that's a really good
point that you have about the, the

plant metabolism and using other
factor variables to, to hit that.

Because definitely when we're
in that stage of plant life,

we want to be creating as much
sugars and energy for storage.

In that plant as we possibly
can, as fast as we can.

And if there's something that we can
do to minimize our internet spacing

without modifying the temperature, that's
probably a better course of action.

Mandy: Awesome.

Yeah.

You'll have to let us know if you
have any follow ups to that question.

We got a couple others around you too.

Marlon wants to know.

Can you guys talk about PGRs

Seth Baumgartner: plant growth regulators.

So.

They're becoming more
and more of a hot topic.

They're I don't know about the legality
of using all of them on different

cannabis crops in the us personally.

I don't really advocate for 'em
mostly because it's just another

thing to spray on your plants.

you know, we've got another humidity
issue and if you're at all familiar

with actually using PGS to manipulate
plant growth, I would highly

suggest you start doing tissue.

And start there and see what
kind of effects you have.

You know, if I take a spray that is
the wrong ratio of oxen to cytokinin

or has jasmonic acid, I mean, we
can go down the line of all these

different PGR compounds that act as PGS.

But I would say that if you're
inexperienced, it's a really good

way to ruin a crop right off the top.

And I personally going out there haven't
seen the greatest results using them.

And by ruin, I'm saying you
could spray a plant and suddenly.

Trying to get this plant, you know, closer
to ripening or to pack on buds size.

Well, if my ratios off, I might just
foxtail it out, might blow that nugget up.

It might overdrive it in growth.

I mean, here's a good thing to remember
if we're gonna talk about PGS two 40 D

one of the most popular herbicides of
all time is a plant growth regulator that

causes plants to grow itself to death.

So , it's a dangerous game.

And personally, I don't think
it's one that cannabis producers

need to be playing right now.

If you think that's what you need.

I guess you've realized that you can't
afford to put the money into your facility

and acquire the genetics that you actually
need to make your business successful.

Jason: That's what that's, what I
was gonna go with is, is maybe try

and source some better genetics
that you don't need to, to modify.

Awesome.

You'll

Mandy: have to let us know Marlin, if you
have any follow up questions with that.

We got another question over on YouTube.

The oil farmer's wife wants to know what's
the ideal height at the end of stretch.

Seth Baumgartner: What
strain are we talking about?

Yeah.

Jason: How much height are
you trying to get into power?

Seth Baumgartner: How high
are your lights off the bench?

I wanna put it right there.

I'm gonna say, depending on your light,
about 12 to 18 inches below the light

, but that even that range is a bunch.

No, there is no ideal hype for stretch.

And that's why, you know, we keep talking
about a lot of these crop steering tools

being something just that a tool that you
as an operator need to know how to use.

There is no it's the old saying there's
a thousand ways to skin a cat and while

that's not a hundred percent true,
there are a lot of ways to do this.

Just like we talked depending
on your state by state place.

If I have square footage, my strategy's
gonna be different than if it's

plant count in a given building.

You know, there's a lot of aspects to look
at, but again, they are tools and we wanna

dial all of our actions to the strain.

That's, that's the whole point in
driving, you know, these really

complicated, expensive growing.

If we didn't need that, we wouldn't,
if all you needed was a hoop house

out in the back to produce quality
cannabis, mm-hmm , everyone would be

doing it, but it turns out it takes more
input and it doesn't have to be indoor

necessarily that, you know, I don't wanna
offend our outdoor growers out there,

but everyone knows it's a lot harder
than just throwing some seeds on the

ground and coming back in a few months.

Yeah.

And it's always gonna be that way.

Jason: Yeah.

And.

The reality is, is these are tools
that you wanna learn how to use.

Our industry is obviously getting
into a very wide genetic range

and what is popular for genetic?

As far as shelf product goes changes
month to month mm-hmm . We can see

massive swings in preferences on
the on the consumer side of this.

And so if you learn how to use those
tools, They put yourself in a much more

competitive position for the future,
because you're, you're able to maybe

run strains that have a big difference
in them, in different rooms, you know,

and optimize for each of those that you
have better purchasing power or better

selling power to, to the shelving.

You know, obviously if you're just
running everything, that's middle of

the line, there's less chance that
you're gonna have a wide consumer basis.

Seth Baumgartner: Yeah.

And you know, one thing I like
to always remember is a lot of

these, these tools were developed
not necessarily just for cannabis.

They came from industries
where people were focused on

a much smaller profit margin.

So if we look at, you know, horticulture
as a whole more and more just

knowing these types of skills as
necessary to survive in the workplace

and be, you know, a competitive.

It's, it's just kind of the nature of
our world becoming more efficient and

utilizing technology to do all of our
jobs a little better all the time.

It's about the bigger

Kaisha: picture.

Mm-hmm it's

Mandy: so true.

It's so true.

The oil farmer's wife
wanted to say, thank you.

Got it.

Awesome answer.

We did get a couple more
questions in that time.

Marlon wants to know ETA on Aurea
for the home and small facility

growers, anything in the works.

Jason: It is in the works.

Absolute ETA.

I'm not comfortable putting it out
there at this point in the stage of the.

Top secret.

Mandy: You guys.

Sorry.

You're

Seth Baumgartner: gonna
have to check back.

Yeah, I'll tell you'all there's there's
too many home growers out there.

We're scared.

Kaisha: can you

Seth Baumgartner: imagine I'm one of 'em
we, we don't want the launch to be kind

of like, you know, all the, like, what
was it like the Bronco and all the new

cars that come out or like the Tesla track
you sign up and years later, you know,

we're trying to avoid that kind of thing.

Cuz I think if we open that can of worms,
our order list would be so long that we.

Just kind of quit and
go do something else.

Cause it's overwhelming.

Yeah.

We

Kaisha: wanna dial in it and get it right.

Yeah.

Get it right for y'all

Jason: awesome.

Love.

It's just it's kinda like the, the
markets you, when we look at California

market oversaturated really fast the,
the growers could over keep up with it.

Places like maybe on the east coast,
they were much more limited and people.

Couldn't get products for,
for a long, long time.

You know, shelves were, were empty.

Places would blow out every
time that they got restocked.

So yeah, we wanna take more like the
Washington approach where it's a fairly

steady launch and release and, and
we can provide a great experience for

anyone in that that projectable timeline.

Mandy: Awesome.

Thank you for that Marlin.

And then Hoffman's choice wants.

do you have any general guidelines
for sensor height in a grow medium?

I'm running two gallon at the moment.

Jason: Two gallon, I
think for sensor height.

We're at one and a quarter as well.

Yeah, exactly.

Or is that the, the one gallon?

Seth Baumgartner: That's
one to two gallon.

One to two gallon?

Yeah.

Okay.

Blocks and bags.

And then when we go to like a
three to five, we'll scoot it up

and, you know, probably one of the
biggest keys there is use that tool.

So you're co.

mm-hmm I mean, in, in realistically,
I could scoot that sensor up or down

and I'm gonna get a different reading.

But what I want is to compare the
same reading between two plants.

If I'm taking two different data
points, I can't compare 'em.

So you know that sensor's gonna give
you a really accurate measurement.

And remember that just a little bit
up and down is not gonna affect.

Oh, saw a really good definition
or really good explanation.

The other day of the difference
between precision and accuracy.

Mm-hmm but we wanna be
precise and accurate.

Yeah.

Jason: Precisions.

How close are our readings to each other?

Exactly.

Accuracy is how close are those
readings to the actual reading, right?

And, you know, one thing that if you want
to check on how well you're doing with

that installation, you can always run
a, a manual water content test as well.

I know, I think a while ago, Ramsey
did a video telling you how to,

you know, measure the weight of dry
substrate, measure it at saturation

and have your sensor in that place.

And does that that weight match
what the water content says.

From the sensor.

So that's, that's a great way.

If you are changing media types,
mm-hmm, get used to that.

And you're sure you're, you're welcome
to modify those Heights a little bit.

We've tested them with, with quite
a few medias, and that's why we do

send out that installation template
tools just to kind of help the

clients unify across the industry.

The volume of influence is basically
the amount of volume that, that sensor.

Is taking a measurement for and on
the tariffs, 12 it's about one liter.

And so, you know, that, that one
leader we're trying to take a

sample that represents as much
of the substrate as possible.

Mm-hmm

Kaisha: cool.

Thank you so much to our YouTube folks.

Keep those questions coming.

We're gonna move on to
our Hangouts chat here.

Johnny asked a couple questions.

First one, here.

He would love to know any, we
would love to hear any irrigation

strategies for tips on maximizing ter.

It's that's there.

Jason: Yeah.

So, you know, when we approach
crop steering, it's a balance.

How much product and
how quality a product.

Yes, you can absolutely get both,
but it takes the perfect crop

steering to, to optimize both of
those together at the same time.

So yeah, irrigation strategies
would be documenting how you

crop steered for that run.

What were the documented test results
for terpene profiles on it and, you

know, start making one modification
as time for that strain specifically.

.
Seth Baumgartner: Yeah, I've got
a pretty direct one, honestly.

If we're looking at maximizing
terpenes and we still wanna be

crop steering, there's a really
important thing to remember.

A lot of people are coming out of, you
know, gray market, home and medical

growing, having run an extremely
generative steering strategy all

the way through, you know, back in
the days of using, say a five gallon

pot I'm watering once a day, maybe
once every other day that's pushing

that as generative as possible.

So when we're looking at using crop.

To maximize terpenes.

We gotta look at, okay, how much
do we want to bulk this out?

And when are we willing to pull back
from bulking into a generative steer?

So if mm-hmm, and, and it's, again,
gonna be strain dependent, some

strains are gonna do great running
a vegetative steer right up till

have only one week of ripening.

Let's say, you know, but some of 'em
I've found kind of want to start pulling

back that ripening at maybe three weeks
in and start really focusing on that.

And.

You know, just start to, like
Jason said, document it, figure

out how those, you know, different
irrigation strategies affected that.

And then also look at your
other, your other variables.

You know, once you've got everything
down to a streamline process where you're

like, Hey, this is what works for me.

The only thing I'm changing is my settings
on when I'm watering really document

that, cuz it's gonna, like I said, it's
just really gonna range on screens.

And the one thing we do know is
that generative stress is how we.

really bulk up, not so much flower
production, but reproductive production.

So those, you know, terpenes,
cannabinoids, that's how we really

mature those resin glands mm-hmm
and being patient, you know,

some plants it's a 10 week plant.

It's a 10 week plant.

You're never gonna harvest it
in 56 days and have the same

quality, no matter what you do.

Kaisha: Awesome.

I love that question.

Okay.

And then Johnny has a
second question here.

Is there an optimal number
of plants per sensor?

Seth Baumgartner: our

Jason: recommendation is, is one sensor
per a hundred square foot of canopy.

Basically what we're doing there
is just trying to optimize the cost

of installation and getting enough
sensors in there for quality sampling.

I, I did a, a growth behavior video.

I think it's up on our YouTube.

I think about a year ago now, and
it's kind of just talking about

the statistics of, of population.

And that's why we go with that
one per hundred square foot, just

to minimize the costs upfront, to
getting installed, but maximizing the

reliability of that data, the chance
that all of your crop is is doing well.

So obviously if we're crop steering,
we typically get a crop steer on.

We wanna do it on the average,
across all of those sensors.

If we have a very wide average, we're
gonna see a very wide result, it's

gonna be quite a bit more varied.

So, also kind of one of the strategies
when someone starts using a ROI

is focus first on the consistency
of your plants and then focus on

your, your modulating, your goals.

Seth Baumgartner: Yep.

That's what I was gonna touch on.

Jason.

I would say, show me a picture
of your table and let's see how.

Variation we've got in your plants.

If you've got ver you know, if one plant
harvests out at 900 grams wet and the one

next to it's hitting four 50 or five we,
we gotta work on that consistency before

we can even really crop steer within that
zone, because if that's at that point, you

know, if we stick the most average plant,
we can assume if we got a hundred plants,

48 or above and 49 or below, right.

Or 50?

Yeah, 48, 50 52 52.

Yeah, whatever.

, we're gonna be slightly
above and slightly below.

The best we can hope for is an average.

So we've gotta make that average range,
that standard deviation from what we

want to be perfect as small as possible.

Mm-hmm yeah.

Jason: I was, I was stunned by the number
of clients that I worked with, especially

early on that had been talking about
their experience with much, much more

expensive water content EC sensor that
was available in the market before AROYA.

And they would say, Hey,
the, the plant that I had the

sensor in, in that one room.

Or the cuz they'd have like
one sensor in a room and they'd

be like that plant grew well.

And the rest of the,
the room didn't do well.

So, that was obviously a great
way for them to learn about

uniformity versus consistency.

Mm-hmm mm-hmm

Seth Baumgartner: and really, you know,
I mean, I always say at horticultures,

an art and a science, and you're not
really an Artis so much as an artisan,

you need to be able to make produce
quality work repeatedly every time when

we're talking about cloning vegging.

So yes, there's art, but that
skill level's very, very important

in maintaining consistency.

You know, the technology helps us
increase that consistency, but if we're

not willing to put in the work and
have quality work at every stage, then.

The technology's not
gonna help you either.

You've gotta actually be able to act on

Jason: it.

That's that's very well said.

I mean, if I was a painter and I had
really good paint brushes sometimes,

and really poor paint brushes,
sometimes I might not always be as as

good as my skills or if you know, I
have different levels of clay and I've

been firing coffee mugs and pots and
plant then obviously some clay would

Seth Baumgartner: crack.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's part of your, part of your art
is making sure that, you know, if you're

really approaching it with a passion,
you're trying to do it at the best level.

You can at every stage of production
mm-hmm , but we also gotta make money.

So , we all end up making, you know,
some little compromises here and there

and that's just farming, getting that

Jason: balance in.

It's just farming.

Seth Baumgartner: it's just farming.

Hey, at least we don't.

Well, nevermind.

I was about to say something about
diesel, but some people have to pay

for that too in the campus industry.

So.

All

Kaisha: right, Mandy, I
think we have a YouTube.

Yeah, we did have a

Mandy: couple more comments
come over on YouTube.

Hoffman's choice.

Wanted to say the tool has been great.

Thanks team.

Awesome.

Thank you so much.

And then Casey wants to
know this is a fun one.

What's the backstory on AROYA and Ramsey
with our company and they love the

Jason: Soli.

sure.

So if we go way, way back think Ramsey
actually purchased one of the largest

systems that we'd done at the time.

Back when I was out doing research
on getting the product out there.

So we had some, some prototype equipment
for aro and, and Ramsey ended up being

you know, a big purchasing factor
at the company he was working with.

And Did some awesome
things with the product.

And so, you know, after I think his
interest was in, you know, really in

applying some of the technology that
he was learning about his background

with crop steering and, and substrate
information just simple love for

plant physiology brought him to us.

And so we connected up and.

Can only say, you know, the best things
about our relationship with Ramsey still

works with us on our advisory board.

I like just calling him up to talk
with the guy and see how his tomatoes

are doing and his family and his kids.

So, now that's the backstory is we
gained a ton of ton of knowledge.

I have to credit Ramsey with
quite a bit about what I know.

When it comes to crop steering.

And so yeah, we, I miss him.

We miss him, but we're, we're, you know,
we're happy to meet with him pretty

regularly as a, as an advisor for,

Seth Baumgartner: for our products.

Kaisha: I know I'm dying to meet him.

I haven't met him yet.

Yeah, same, but I learned

Mandy: so much through its videos.

You guys can find all those over on
aur.io or on our YouTube channel.

But yeah, that's the final

Kaisha: question over on YouTube.

All right.

Well, in these last few minutes, I think
we'll go with Daniel's question last year.

Daniel wants to know when trying out
cocoa in a room instead of slabs,

which pot size or pot style and cocoa
will give me dry back, similar to S.

Jason: Just do some volume calculations.

You know, if we wanna say, yeah,
similar drive backs, we're probably

gonna look at, you know, water
content times volume itself.

So if you were doing four by four
S on a slab, just add up the four

by four S and the slab divided
by the number of plants that you.

Time's that by your water content and then
do the same thing for, for your Coco bags.

And I, I don't know exactly
what it works out too off

Seth Baumgartner: the top of my head
for, for most people that aren't

double stacked, either one and a half
or two gallon it's strain dependent.

And some of the people I find having
the most success with Coco that.

If you looked at their charts,
you might guess it was rockwool.

Typically.

That's what they do for
their bigger strains.

They've got a two gallon
pot that they pick a brand.

I try to be brand agnostic, but
there are several brands out there

that will hit, you know, that 55
to 65% volumetric water content.

That's really what you gotta look for.

Just make sure that that matches up.

If that's, if that's what you're
trying to run is rockwool, like

volumetric water, content numbers.

That's where you start is making sure
you can hit that same field capacity.

And then as Jason said, make sure
you've got the appropriate volume.

Now, when you go out in the world
and actually try to translate

that there's so many options that
you're gonna get kind of close.

And then we talk about, you know, well,
if the company is Canadian a gallon's

a little closer to four liters or more,
and , if they're in the us, it's 3.78.

So just make sure you get all the
information you can when you're

trying to make those media choices
and make sure you're comparing apples

to apples, and you always have plant
size to pop volume as a reference.

Yeah.

I'm,

Jason: I'm really glad that you say
that because you know, here, here

in the states we are always talking
about, you know, some slabs being.

Or some cubes being six
by sixes or four by fours.

Most of the suppliers on these,
especially traditional ones that

we're used to actually have those
cut to a metric measurement.

And so if you want to be exactly
accurate, which you might as well be,

cuz it's just as easy look up the size
specs or measuring them yourselves.

You know, a lot of these products
were coming out of Europe.

A lot of 'em right now come outta Canada
and they are using metric numbers, which

aren't exactly at that six by six per se.

Cool.

It's it's what number in metric
is close to six by six and as.

Being Americans.

We just say, what's easy to
say what we're used to in size.

So keep that in mind.

You know, it's not gonna be a huge
difference, but if you're times that by,

you know, three plants in a substrate, and
you're trying to correlate that to another

substrate that maybe did come from the us
or was using slightly different measuring

standards, then it can exaggerate so well.

Here's

Seth Baumgartner: might
as well be accurate.

Here's something I like to bring up too.

We use in, in the way that
we crop steering calculate.

We use SA units.

We use milliliters and leters.

So instead of converting from gallons to
leters and then milliliters, guess what?

You can just get all the specs from
the manufacturer in milliliters.

And like Jason said, it's just as
easy to plug the right numbers into

your equation, as it is to plug close
to right numbers into your equation.

You know, the information's out
there, you just gotta grab it.

Kaisha: Amazing Mandy.

Any other final words
from our YouTube friends?

Mandy: I believe that's it.

Verde did join Verde Claro, join late.

Sorry.

I'm late.

I'm always late because I'm high.

We

Kaisha: get it.

I, we get it.

Yeah, it happens to us.

We will be later.

Yeah.

I think everyone over there for that's
the final question on my end, Seth and

Jason, first time doing this in person.

I hope it wasn't too weird.

No, it was fun.

It was great for me.

I loved it.

I hope you all loved it.

Thank you all so much
for joining us today.

Any final words before we.

Jason: yeah.

Keep coming back up here and we'll get

Seth Baumgartner: to get you your own mic.

That's what I gonna say?

Get you a mic.

Watch out.

We didn't bump heads.

No, no, we did

Kaisha: pretty good.

Watch out folks.

I might be an expert on crop
steering very soon with my two

little plants in the backyard.

Rehydrating those I was
overwatering you guys.

I realized that now.

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