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[00:00:00] Kaisha: Hey everybody. It's Thursday at 4:20 PM Eastern. That means it's time for office hours. AROYA is weekly session for cultivators to hear from the experts and talk to each other about what they're seeing with their grows. I'm Kaisha. I'm your co moderator, Mandy, how you doing? Hello.

[00:00:16] Mandy: It's going great over here.

[00:00:18] Mandy: We're signing on for episode 51. Can you guys believe. Getting ready for some hardcore crop steering discussions today. Um, you'll also know we're going live over on YouTube, so make sure you send us your questions and I'll get those [00:00:30] over to the team. Um, also a reminder, if you're active on social media, be sure you're following us on all the platforms.

[00:00:36] Mandy: So we're on Instagram, TikTok. YouTube and social Club, and we're also gonna be picking the winner for of our giveaway with Whipple Effect and Psycho Otic Psycho Not Genetics. So check back on our Instagram today and tomorrow to see if you've won. But we got the questions this week, so I'm gonna go ahead and pass it back over to

[00:00:54] Kaisha: Kaisha.

[00:00:55] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you, Mandy. All right. If you're live with this here and you have a question, feel free to type it in the chat. At [00:01:00] any time, if your question gets picked, we'll have you either unmute yourself or I'd be happy to ask it for you. Jason, are you ready for our first question today? Let's get

[00:01:09] Jason: going.

[00:01:09] Jason: Woohoo. All

[00:01:10] Kaisha: right. Um, JT posted a couple comments on YouTube. Let's, let's ask, uh, talk about these questions here. First one, when should you start worrying, uh, after checking runoff pH? Say your feed is coming in at 5.8, how far of a differential tolerance is acceptable?

[00:01:28] Jason: Um, you know, great [00:01:30] question. I. I try not to get too far more than, say, 4.5 pH up or down, um, before I get worried and want to definitely get a leaf tissue sample in to see which ions are in imbalance.

[00:01:44] Jason: Um, so basically what's happening is when I see runoff pH uh, going up or going down substantially, it's gonna mean that the balance of of nutrients in solution, um, are being eaten, uh, out of a balance composition. Uh, [00:02:00] so definitely want to, I mean, I guess there's two ways. One, you could increase how much runoff you're doing, but that's gonna.

[00:02:06] Jason: All of your other components. Um, so the best thing to do is really get an understanding of why things are, are getting unbalanced. So good. Get some leaf, excuse me, leaf tissue samples sent in. Um, or SAP says samples and trying to understand what, uh, what that specific plant is is feeding on heavier than.

[00:02:28] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you for [00:02:30] that. And then, um, actually JT had another question they posted this week. They were asking, how do you know which nutrient your plant is, uptaking or not by the runoff pH? Is that something you can tell finan?

[00:02:41] Jason: Nope. So that's where the return of your leaf leaf tissue analysis or, or SAP analysis is gonna give you a breakdown of those different nutrient elements.

[00:02:52] Jason: And that would be the most sure way to know which specific elements are, um, getting uptake faster than [00:03:00] the others.

[00:03:01] Kaisha: All right. So lead tissue analysis will bring forth that data. Excellent. All right, moving on. Brian Goldy submitted question this week. They wanna know, is there an environmental controller you could recommend?

[00:03:13] Kaisha: Uh,

[00:03:15] Jason: You know, uh, as far as the commercial environmental controllers, none of 'em are really my favorite right now. Um, and it just depends on the size of operation that you're trying to run. Or are you indoor? Are you mixed, like greenhouse? Where are you at [00:03:30] in the country? Um, all of these are gonna play a factor in how much you wanna spend or you have to spend in order to get a control system.

[00:03:37] Jason: Um, How much customization do you wanna get involved with? A lot of the best systems right now are getting designed by, um, BMS systems, um, so building management systems, people that have been doing, um, hospitals, other type of agriculture, any of that stuff, any of the cannabis specific stuff is probably not gonna be the most cost effective option.

[00:03:59] Jason: While for [00:04:00] some indoor applications, it might be the quickest and easiest way to get up and running. So there's the spectrum. Um, you have component-based items. One, you know, things. It'll be like, Hey, we need something to control our lighting, or something to control. Um, you know, like a thermostat for example would be a, a component based.

[00:04:17] Jason: And then you have system-based, uh, on the other hand. Whereas maybe you're building out new facility and you wanna try and consolidate all of the operating parameters into one system. That would be something like B M s. [00:04:30] On that side, and typically your cost is gonna go up. The more you try to consolidate or do infrastructure size, um, typically your upfront costs will go up, but obviously the usage should be a little bit easier because you're looking all of your different variables operating in one system rather than component based, where you might have to take manual, um, readings of other types to try and get that information.

[00:04:53] Jason: Um, so yeah, you know, for example, simple Side, we could go install. You know, Honeywell [00:05:00] thermostat or a thermostat that you use at your house to turn your HVAC on and off. Couple things there is, you're not gonna have something like, uh, variable frequency drive. Uh, so if you have fans that can operate at multis speeds, you may not get that option with something like a thermostat.

[00:05:15] Jason: Um, on the other hand, you know, system-based, we can start making parameters like, all right, let's take temperature, humidity, and light levels into account when we're trying to evaluate, uh, how much we need to operate, uh, a vent. [00:05:30] So a lot more complex than, than the simple answer that you wanted of a brand name.

[00:05:34] Jason: I'm sorry. But, uh, that's, that's the reality of why we see so many different implementations and why, uh, you know, at this point it's really still a challenge. There's, there's not a great option, um, as far as I'm concerned.

[00:05:49] Kaisha: Thank you for that overview. That's great. Yeah. Um, I mean, I'm just curious for my own information, like why environmental controllers, like are those things that something that, uh, facilities really should be investing in?

[00:05:59] Kaisha: [00:06:00] Is that something that they need to look into or, um, is there a way they can kind of make things work without having to invest in, in stuff like that?

[00:06:09] Jason: Um, kind of comes down to, you know, the question of how much energy do you wanna spend trying to capture the operating performance of your. , um, by hand with your time invested, trying to, trying to capture that data, maybe with a system like AROYA, compiling it on other individual components or, you know, how much do we [00:06:30] want to try and optimize based on parameters that we know?

[00:06:34] Jason: Um, so. Yes, I think the investment is usually worth trying to get into a system-based, um, unless you're looking to move facilities, you know, in a, in a few months or a year. Um, if, if you're in a long-term plan, then, then system-based is usually more effective. Um, and, and that does come with some learning curve and or previous experience to be able to, to work with more advanced systems.

[00:06:58] Jason: So, and I think that's why we [00:07:00] see the. Gamut of, uh, of different components in the industry right now is cuz uh, some people just need to get up and running so that they can start to, to make some money, um, and afford a system-based. Um, that being said, you know, if you're retrofitting, uh, existing buildings, sometimes component-based is easier to install.

[00:07:19] Jason: Like I, it's less upfront costs. Uh, if you're starting scratch, then you know, system. Our system based, uh, operation is the way that you want to invest if you're looking [00:07:30] for long term operating convenience and return.

[00:07:35] Kaisha: Wonderful. Thank you for that. Yeah, always, uh, trying to figure out ways to really like, uh, def define what makes the most sense for a short-term versus long-term investment with facilities.

[00:07:45] Kaisha: So thank you for that. Um, Mandy, I'm gonna send it over to you. What do you have going on over there?

[00:07:50] Mandy: Um, we have a question about lighting. You'll know I love that. Uh, our friends over at River City Growers rode in. In your experience, what's the optimal [00:08:00] spectrum balance for l e d Flower Light?

[00:08:04] Jason: Great question.

[00:08:05] Jason: As far as lighting goes, one of my most favorite subjects for anyone that's been watching this show, um, , look up co morphogenesis if you wanna know all the science behind these things, or as much as the science that we've progressed with, um, cannabis in specific, lots of information about how other crops perform when we modify blue versus red spectrums.

[00:08:26] Jason: Um, as an example. So when we look at the history [00:08:30] of LEDs, Not all of 'em are necessarily considered full spectrum. Um, some of the interesting things here is we're looking at the different, um, chlorophyll responses in the, uh, lighting spectrum curve. So, you know, down here we're starting with, um, blues, purples, et cetera.

[00:08:49] Jason: Um, you know, below say 400 nanometers, and then up on the high end, you know, the 800 range would be something like, uh, far edges ultra. or infrared, excuse me. [00:09:00] And, uh, so really what we're talking about is how much intensity is in each of these. When we look at something like h p s, um, usually they're gonna be more parabolic and so they're kind of approaching it, kind of like the sun, right?

[00:09:15] Jason: Anything that's incandescent. Um, a little bit more like the sun, where we have a. Mostly balanced. Sure. We taper off at the end and actually a lot of hpss have a little bit of spike over at the far red. That's when we start talking about, um, room or [00:09:30] uh, radiation to room temperature ratios and why we can operate.

[00:09:34] Jason: Rooms a little bit hotter with LEDs than, um, I d so IDs would be metal highlight or PS are the most common. Um, and metal highlights are a little bit of a compromise. I don't mean to get too far away from LEDs. I'm just trying to give some context to the question and, and the evolution of nds. So a lot of the earlier LEDs.

[00:09:56] Jason: Uh, it was harder for companies to produce [00:10:00] some of the optimal type of, um, diodes. So l e d lights are just composed of a whole bunch. Small diodes, which are a type of dope junction for any of the electronics gurus in here. When we run a voltage of Ren across that dope junction, it produces light.

[00:10:16] Jason: Depending on what type of chemical we put in, that junction is gonna change the color of it or. Specifically for this conversation, the spectrum. And so when we look at a lot of the older LEDs, [00:10:30] sure. They were pink. Right. And a lot of the newer terminology comes into full spectrum. Reality is, is there are just a combination of different color.

[00:10:41] Jason: LEDs, different color diodes, all in combination on a light. So if we take a, a picture of an l e d, um, or if it's really damning, you can look at it with your eyes. You'll see different color LEDs in there. Some of 'em are white, some of 'em might be blue or purple. Um, and based on [00:11:00] research and photo morphogenesis, they can be modulated by certain brands to emphasize some of the spectrums.

[00:11:08] Jason: Apologies, and um, A lot of times LEDs are more efficient because they're producing, uh, more light for how much heat is produced. So hps is a lot, a lot of the energy goes into heat. LEDs are actually producing more light, um, wattage than, than heat wattage. And we can also tailor [00:11:30] those LEDs. So a lot of the manufacturers have more diodes in our, um, chlorophyl ranges.

[00:11:35] Jason: So I think that's, I mean, I'd look, have to look it up, but I think we're around four 20 and it's more seven. And

[00:11:46] Jason: when we look at full spectrum, they are sometimes filling in those other gaps. Those other gaps are how we activate things like phyto, CHROs, um, crypto, CHROs, other types of secondary metabolites that [00:12:00] modify plant behavior. Um, Which might be more complicated. So when we look at photo morphogenesis, what that's talking about is how does the plant respond to the spectrum at different phases in its life cycle?

[00:12:11] Jason: And for VEing plants, uh, a lot of times the more blue ratios will increase. How much SOX stems vegetative growth that we can, uh, implement. Uh, some of the manufacturers these days have like spring setting and summer setting and fall setting on their LEDs. What this is doing [00:12:30] is just modulating how many of the specific LEDs or the intensity of the different colia LEDs are on, and so that we get a cumulative.

[00:12:40] Jason: Spectrum that changes. Um, and so moving through the cycle, something like that, and veg would have usually more blue lights enable, um, when we go into something like suburb, it's gonna begin more balanced. And then, uh, say if we have a fall mode, usually they're gonna start to push towards the red end of the spectrum.

[00:12:58] Jason: And this is also [00:13:00] one of the reasons that when we look at, uh, I think a question we've had in the past was, you know, Why? Why is it harder for me to ripen with LEDs? Well, traditionally hpss have significantly more far red, which is what tends to make the plant more generative or, or ripen up towards the end of it, which makes sense when we think of plant's life cycle and respect to the seasons.

[00:13:21] Jason: Um, Long answer again, but, uh, what is the perfect spectrum? You know, I'd love to [00:13:30] know that myself. Uh, I, I think right now the, the perfect spectrum is the one that you can produce with the LEDs that you have. Um, obviously if you are able to modulate it, then it's time to start documenting which strains are preferring which spectrum for how much duration of the cycle.

[00:13:51] Mandy: Wow. I did not know that The seasons were factored into lighting that much. That is really cool. Um, thank you for that Jason. Um, we are getting questions over on YouTube. [00:14:00] Uh, Brian Roden, when do we want a higher substrate ec and why?

[00:14:06] Jason: Yeah. So if, you know, we've referenced kind of the crop steering methodologies that we've gone over.

[00:14:14] Jason: Mini me episodes, we like to have substrate ec gradually increase while we are doing generative stacking. So I mean, that's kind of why we call it. One of the reasons I like, I call it stacking is cuz we see the EC stacking up. Uh, another reason that we call it [00:14:30] stacking would be because we're stacking our notes rather than having, uh, large note spaces from vegetative growth, we implement some changes in that plant's, um, chemistry to help reduce our note space develop as.

[00:14:44] Jason: Calx building sites as possible. Um, why does this happen? You know, I think a lot of it has to do with osmotic differential between the substrate and the planet. And when we look at osmotic differential, really what we're referring to is, uh, the trigger pressure in the [00:15:00] cells and how much they're affecting, uh, water absorption from, uh, the substrate.

[00:15:08] Jason: So why do we when, uh, during generative stacking, we like to have these c higher, why is to get the preferred plant morphology? Ooh, great

[00:15:20] Mandy: summary. Uh, thank you for that. And that is it for YouTube right now. So I will pass it back over to Kaisha.

[00:15:28] Kaisha: Thanks Mandy. Jason, you're [00:15:30] dropping so much knowledge. I, I can't write my notes fast enough, so this is great.

[00:15:33] Kaisha: Thank you. Um, all right, moving on to another right in, um, let's see, fly tieing and fishing road in. They're looking for some guidance mom room, dry backs, and they're wondering how to ideally water a mom room that's got a wide array of different aged moms. thoughts on

[00:15:51] Jason: that? Yeah, so with with moms, you know, usually we're looking for more vegetative growth.

[00:15:57] Jason: Um, obviously we're typically in an [00:16:00] 18 hour light cycle and we're trying to build, um, plant structure as fast as possible so we can get as much clones harvested from those moms as possible. So yeah, basis of vegetative steering is a wider irrigation window. Lots of. Pulse irrigations from beginning of irrigation window to end of irrigation window.

[00:16:20] Jason: Um, specifics to that are gonna depend on the transpiration rates of the plant, um, which is affected by age as well. And then, um, [00:16:30] plant size, or excuse me, um, substrate size, sub plant size, substrate size. Um, those are gonna be the main factors that you're looking at when building an irrigation schedule in your mother.

[00:16:43] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you so much. All right, we got, we got another question in here. I love these because I think I know the answer, but six millimeter Beast Rodin, I'm using 45% water capacity coco. What percentage do I dry back to for veg stretch, bulk? [00:17:00]

[00:17:01] Jason: Um, You know, again, looking at genetics and concentrate size specifics, uh, you know, in ideal type of scenarios, usually for generative, we are looking at, you know, anywhere between say a 15 to 30%.

[00:17:17] Jason: Um, and then for vegetative, we'll be looking at, um, usually something like 10 to 20%.

[00:17:27] Kaisha: Breeze and Throne. Thank you so much. Just a reminder [00:17:30] to everybody's on with us live here and on YouTube, if you wanna get your question answered, now is the time. Um, all right, moving on to more write-ins. Jungle. Jim wrote in, um, how do you go about calibrating the terrorist 12? Is there a step-by-step walkthrough somewhere I could look at?

[00:17:47] Kaisha: Thanks. Now, Jason, we talked about this a few weeks ago. My understanding is we don't have to, uh, calibrate the 12, uh, towers. 12. Is that. Correct.

[00:17:54] Jason: Yeah. When we're manufacturing the Terros twelves, we do a lifetime calibration on it. Um, [00:18:00] you know, that being said, anybody that is using like a Solis for example, there is options for soilless or, um, soil type of substrates.

[00:18:08] Jason: Um, really what this is doing is we're just modifying the polynomial equation. So 12 sends out raw data, um, that raw data. Processed and that's what turns into the water content and EC measurements coming from it. Um, now that being said, different substrates have different dialectic productivities, uh, and that's [00:18:30] why, uh, we need to know what type of substrate is in there in order to get the correct transformation of the data.

[00:18:40] Jason: I didn't say calibration because in calibration we're thinking about, um, how do we make it align with what is accurate? Well, the sensors are giving us an accurate measurement of the electricity pass through the prongs, and how do we turn that into a human readable information Is, is really what we're doing.[00:19:00]

[00:19:03] Kaisha: Wonderful. Thank you for that. Um, checking in with you Mandy. Uh, we got in some live questions over. We did, um, we

[00:19:11] Mandy: got a couple questions come in. Um, she wants big Buds wrote in, how can I use AROYA to help dial in on my irrigation strategies?

[00:19:23] Jason: Uh, well, the first way to do it is to start capturing data. Um, see how your current [00:19:30] irrigation strategies are affecting the

[00:19:32] plants.

[00:19:32] Jason: Um, so I'll get an idea. What's our substrate ec look like? What does those rises in ECS look like, um, overnight or to the next day from irrigation. First irrigation Today, it's the next day's.

[00:19:45] Jason: First irrigation. Uh, how big are my dry backs? Are my water contents in the ranges that are appropriate for my media type? Those are some of the, the first things that we need to start looking at. Uh, other things to be looking at would be environment. Are we [00:20:00] providing the appropriate amount of light for our plants to, uh, have as much transpiration as possible?

[00:20:07] Jason: Um, so, you know, are we optimizing our model conductants from the leap surfaces? Um, we don't, we don't currently produce co2, but that's definitely one thing to keep into factor. We go to crops tier, we really wanna make sure that our environment is is on par. So with our sensors, first thing that I like to do before I even get started making any irrigation changes is, [00:20:30] are my VPDs appropriate for my timeframe?

[00:20:33] Jason: Do my temperatures and humidities? Um, Make a, a preferential plant environment are, are we that the temperature and humidity would need to be for P p D. So after those parameters are dialed in, then we can start to modulate, uh, our irrigation schedules. Start to either stack that ec like we were talking about in the earlier question, um, maybe we need to open up our irrigation windows to stay out of [00:21:00] over dry back ranges.

[00:21:01] Jason: Um, maybe we need a little bit more runoff to reduce how much EC is being built up in the substrate. Those are all kind of questions that can be answered after diagnosing current parameters using our substrate sensor. So it's,

[00:21:16] Mandy: it's really giving you that visibility and you can really start documenting and learning from your strains.

[00:21:23] Jason: That's a way easier answer than I gave. No,

[00:21:25] Mandy: I love it. You just gave us a ton of stuff to write about now. This is great. I love it. [00:21:30] Um, thank you for that. Uh, so we also have another question about AROYA, all about science of four 20 Rodin. Can you tell me about AROYA Tech? How long has it been around for?

[00:21:42] Jason: Yeah. Uh, so we think, and I could be a little bit off here cuz I'm, I think I was born about the time that we started doing, uh, substrate measurements. Uh, as far as the, the meter group technology goes. And I think it was around the early nineties that we were looking [00:22:00] at, um, building some of these sensors.

[00:22:02] Jason: As far as the Terrace 12 itself has been out. A little bit longer than I've been working on this AROYA project. So I think about five years. Um, it's been out and it's. It's not a lot different than the previous model, which was the, the GS three, and I think those came out, um, probably 2010, 2012. I could, like I said, I could be a lot of history for me to, to remember, but, um, [00:22:30] yeah, it's, it's been proven, um, you know, with hundreds of thousands of these tensors out in the field.

[00:22:35] Jason: As far as the trust. 12 goes, it's been used in traditional agriculture fairly significantly. Um, obviously with the AROYA product we've adopted specifically for. Uh, cannabis and, and more towards substrates and controlled environment and agriculture.

[00:22:53] Mandy: Awesome. So tested and tested again over the, over the course of some decades and then tailored to the [00:23:00] needs of cannabis farmers.

[00:23:01] Mandy: We love to hear that. Awesome. I think that we're getting some live questions, so I'm gonna pass it over to you, Kaisha.

[00:23:07] Kaisha: Awesome. Mandy, thank you so much. Bill bows in the house and dropped a question in the chat. Billbo, you wanna unmute yourself and speak.

[00:23:16] Kaisha: If not, I can. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Happy meeting

[00:23:19] Jason: man.

[00:23:20] Bilbo: You too. So my question is about, uh, the difference between osmotic stress and water stress [00:23:30] when performing programmed irrigations. So working on a irrigation strategy throughout a specific harvest group. Now I wanna know if you've, you've seen kind of a tried, tested, and true method of being able to differentiate between when is a good time other than, you know, generative stacking when there is a good time to, to.

[00:23:58] Bilbo: Hone in on some more osmotic [00:24:00] stress as opposed to just water stressing the plants, or if I'm already potentially barking up the wrong tree.

[00:24:08] Jason: Yeah. So when I think about, um, water stress, apologize, uh, I like to think about. With matrix potential. And so when we look at matrix potential, and most of these hydroponic medias, uh, coco rockwool especially, we're really ever not actually applying any water stress to the [00:24:30] plant unless we're in somewhat detrimental ranges.

[00:24:33] Jason: Um, so typically when we're crop steering, we're using dry backs to help modulate how much osmotic, uh, potential or the osmotic differential between the plant and the substrate.

[00:24:48] Jason: Okay. Does that answer the question? Well, it's confirming

[00:24:52] Bilbo: what, what, uh, what approach I'm taking, but I asked the question as open as I could to see if it spark, sparks [00:25:00] some learning for other people as well.

[00:25:03] Jason: Yeah. You know, and I think it's, it's kind of a little bit of a misconception. Stress is not my favorite term to use when we're crop steering.

[00:25:12] Jason: Um, I'd just like to think about how we're manipulating, um, the environment that the plant is, is in. Um, both. Environment in the air and um, in the substrate. So, uh, like I said, you know, if we're stressing things, if we're seeing plants [00:25:30] drooping, usually we've gone too far modifying a parameter and that can't affect long.

[00:25:40] Kaisha: That was a great question. Bobo, you posted something else in the chat? You wanna, you wanna speak to that as well?

[00:25:48] Kaisha: He posted a question wondering, um, if a AROYA has made any progress on the crop registration component of the platform. Anything you can share there, Jason?

[00:25:58] Jason: So traditionally with, [00:26:00] um, graph registration, we're talking about some of the manual readings that we allow you to input into the system. Um, one of the challenges that I faced while cultivating was how do I digitize my grout journal and compile that on top of my sensor data?

[00:26:16] Jason: And so we allowed to do manual readings, which I'm assuming is what we're talking about with. Proper registration. And it sounds like, looks like Bill's gonna jump in here and clarify in just a minute, but yes. Uh, as far as the reading types for manual readings that we [00:26:30] support, I can pull up a list, but the list is runoff, pH runoff, EC plant height, node spacing, spot light measurements.

[00:26:40] Jason: So if you're in there with a, um, a PPF team, meter by hand, just taking a spot measurement, uh, in just a second I'll rattle off all of 'em.

[00:26:54] Jason: Uh, dry back moisture content spot, ec spot water content spot pH runoff, [00:27:00] EC runoff, pH runoff volume P D C feed, pH feed volume, lower diameter stem diameter node spacing, plant height, temperature, uh, spot temperature, uh, water activities conducted CO2 daily average V P D light lighting indicator relative c.

[00:27:17] Jason: Air temperature spot. And so yeah, most anything that we would have taken in a, in a Grow journal, you can attribute right to your Harvest group. Um, and you can chart those on your. AROYA chart. So [00:27:30] kind of a great example of this would be is if we're looking at the EC in the substrate and we're used to being in there, taking, um, runoff EC measurements, plot those on top of each other and see how much EC is building up in the substrate versus what's coming off and runoff.

[00:27:43] Jason: Uh, another one of my favorites, crop registration. This one is critical for crop steering, is the plant height. We really wanna be taking plant height, especially coming down to. We want to hit the target plant height we know for a certain strain so that we can, uh, achieve the [00:28:00] appropriate irrigation and environment strategies, uh, to optimize the size of plant we can grow up.

[00:28:07] Kaisha: Bill, you wanna mute

[00:28:08] Jason: yourself?

[00:28:09] Bilbo: Okay. Yes. Thank you for the, uh, clarity. Now, I guess backstory or understanding, the last time I asked this question was the middle of last year and, and I wouldn't know if it was inconclusive, but there was definitely different. I am seeing a lot of this data being so relevant and I, it's very challenging to give one [00:28:30] source of truth where everything is.

[00:28:31] Bilbo: So that's why I'm asking qualifiers like this. If I have someone on site and they're putting this, these details in that it would get the same type of, uh, graphing capacity and, and backend power. That AROYA platform has to make better decision.

[00:28:50] Jason: And the answer yes. And I can show you how if we Yes. Wanna, let's just do a quick screen share and pull up some of our sample data.[00:29:00]

[00:29:00] Jason: Um, so first off, let's see. How do we add crop registration information? Um, if. You are in the web app and the mobile app, you can do them as well fairly easily. Um, we've recently released the ability to just, uh, send these from your solu meter. So if you're taking EC measurements with your Solus meter, you can log 'em right into, uh, AROYA, use 'em, that app.

[00:29:24] Jason: So that's nice. Huge TA time saver. Uh, that being said, if you're anywhere, um, on our pages, uh, [00:29:30] you can click this blue button and type in or click on reading. And that's gonna give you a screen that allows us to tell the system which room and what type and also what time that we're working off of

[00:29:52] Jason: the other. My favorite way to do it is to actually do it right on the graph. And the reason I like to do this is cuz then I don't have to specify which room or the timeframe [00:30:00] I get a timestamp it specifically for, um, When I'm taking that reading. So let's sign in there taking a runoff reading right here.

[00:30:10] Jason: You can say reading and we'll say, you know, runoff pH,

[00:30:20] Jason: and we've got a pH of 5.7 and zone one. We could say add reading. So obviously with any sampling, the [00:30:30] more samples that we get, the better. Now let's say, uh, our zone two is at 5.8, and then we can record these readings

[00:30:49] Jason: and then we're able to populate the chart with manual reading. So we can see no manual readings. If I select runoff. pH should [00:31:00] plot these on our chart. And my apologies. I actually have a new feature enabled here called Split Graphs, which we should be releasing very soon. Allows you to plot environment and soil on different charts.

[00:31:15] Jason: Um, so. If I had that off, we'd be able to see the, um, those pH readings in here. Another way that we can utilize that information is if [00:31:30] we jump into, uh, harvest Group and we go into analytics, we can see all of the crop registration information that we've saved. So if we look down here, Plant development.

[00:31:45] Jason: Things like canopy height, node spacing, stem

[00:31:48] diameter,

[00:31:49] Jason: um, I P M applications obviously.

[00:31:55] Jason: And then obviously our journal is gonna have the. [00:32:00] Individual wagged readings. So I'm just trying to give as much insight depending on how you need to look at that information. If you're on a day-to-day basis, if you're trying to figure out someone got all of their registration in, um, and or on a, you know, long-term analytical goal.

[00:32:21] Kaisha: Fantastic, great overview. Andy. We got a little sneak, a little sneak peek into a feature update. Uh, Billbo. You posted another question. You wanna speak to it? [00:32:30]

[00:32:30] Bilbo: I, I can't say enough how, how important I think it is for those manual cairos readings, qualitative views that people get in the rooms to correlate to the, this in situ data and what you're seeing from, uh, facility.

[00:32:50] Bilbo: Space. So seeing these together is just . If anyone is out there collecting this data manually and having to journal it together, [00:33:00] let this be a lesson that they just put it together in one place. Uh, my next question is, can I export that in like a CSV or, you know, imagine in your market it's probably like a metric equivalent.

[00:33:12] Bilbo: Like, can I track the instances of a particular. Employee or a user

[00:33:20] Jason: inputting that data. Um, currently you can, you cannot do a CSV export of, um, [00:33:30] annotations or auxiliary data, but that, that's

[00:33:32] Bilbo: request, imagine some sort of, uh, for record keeping. The, the way that we have our constraints here, like. , this could, this is so close to a manufacturing software.

[00:33:47] Bilbo: Like, okay, here's the recipe, here's what we did when we did it. Here's the tasks that it took to complete it. So then, you know, I mean, even if you factor in the, the Aqua Lab and other [00:34:00] components, I mean, you, you almost have everything in one package, which would qualify as a bad record. So I'm, I'm trying to see like, okay, if I can put it in, I want to be able to take it out, or maybe there's already an export.

[00:34:16] Jason: You know, there's, uh, like I said, there's not an export. We do have some filtering options. Um, so if we're in the journal, we could say, all right, Jason Van Lubin, how many tasks, um, or how many notes have I put in there? Um, , those [00:34:30] type of things. So, uh, there is some filtering options to help do that.

[00:34:35] Jason: Obviously, nothing like tallying up how many I've done of what type. Um, we we're like, we're, we're working, getting to get there. We have some, some tasking revisions, uh, a project to kind of help do time tracking those type of things. And, um, hopefully we can expand the capabilities here. But you're exactly right.

[00:34:54] Jason: The importance of this stuff is huge. And what we've done is tried to. More [00:35:00] live available. I, um, I used to do a lot of data capturing from our growers journals and, uh, at the end of the week I would enter all that data. So, you know, the, the precious data you'd always have was from last Friday, and the oldest data that you would have was from, uh, from Monday that week.

[00:35:18] Jason: And that was never a great way for people to, to all have availability to what is in that grow journal moving around the facility. As far as importance of annotations themselves, [00:35:30] uh, I used to print off my daily room charts and I would circle any area that, uh, showed concern, um, and write a note, you know, okay, why, why is my temperature spiking?

[00:35:43] Jason: Or why is my humidity spiking? And then I would go investigate the operations, uh, of the HVAC equipment to try and analyze is this something that I can mitigate by improving the programming in my systems? Great example of that was, uh, our, uh, [00:36:00] our temperatures on Mondays were always higher and, uh, ended up that, uh, the grower had scheduled on our wall mounted thermostat.

[00:36:08] Jason: Unfortunately. That, uh, Mondays had a higher set point, and so it didn't take long for us to, to get away from component type items like that implement system, um, system-wide environmental controllers like we discussed earlier. But yeah, annotations can, they, they're great way to help your [00:36:30] system become more effective, how to communicate issues to the team and, uh, really make iterative improvements onto whatever you see and need to.

[00:36:43] Kaisha: You posted a question here asking, uh, for a project roadmap. Just to let you know, we are actually gonna be working on, um, getting more regular feature updates out to folks. So stay tuned for all that goodness. Um, Jason. Great. Uh, Overview as usual. [00:37:00] Um, Mandy, I think we got a question in on YouTube. Yeah. Oh yeah,

[00:37:03] Mandy: we did.

[00:37:04] Mandy: Um, Alex run in, are there any visual cues that the plant gives when pushing generative steering for stretch, whether that's pushing generative steering for four weeks or pushing substrate ec.

[00:37:18] Jason: Uh, I mean, yeah, if the plant is feeling the generative cues that we're getting it, if you know it's hormone balance has, has been altered by what we're doing in crop [00:37:30] steering, then you should see decreased node spacing.

[00:37:34] Jason: So bud sites closer together, you see, see the slope of your plant height line decreasing, um, and then hopefully bud development. That's why we're doing that generative steering. So absolutely, if you're not seeing a morphological response from, um, from that generative steering, either A, it hasn't quite altered the plant physiology yet, or B uh, it's not being applied [00:38:00] appropriately in a way that's affecting.

[00:38:04] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. And thanks for that question, Alex. Uh, if there's any other questions over there on YouTube, make sure you send 'em our way. But other than that, I think we also have some questions that we sent in on, uh, got in on Instagram, so I'm gonna pass it back over to Kaisha.

[00:38:16] Kaisha: Awesome, Andy.

[00:38:17] Kaisha: Thank you. Yeah. Heads up to everybody. We've got just, uh, over 20 minutes left on the show, so if you have a question, now's the time to start answering it. I'm, uh, got our last Instagram submission here from Grandmama Purple 74. They're asking, when it [00:38:30] comes to crop steering, what are some things I should keep in mind if I'm trying to achieve certain terpene profiles?

[00:38:38] Jason: Oh, uh, the old chemo type question. Um, . You know, I don't know a lot about how our crop steering can affect terpene profiles. Usually when we increase our thc, we'll definitely see increases in our terpene, how that affects [00:39:00] specific terpenes. Uh, I mean, I think the biggest push there is genetics. Uh, obviously how we grow can, can modify that.

[00:39:07] Jason: Um, love to leave this question open-ended and, and hopefully we can learn more about this in the.

[00:39:14] Kaisha: Yeah, that's great. For sure. Um, and yeah, if actually is anybody, if anybody is on and has done some crop steering for particular terpene profiles, you know, let us know. Let's talk about it. Um, alright, well that was the last Instagram question I had.

[00:39:28] Kaisha: Any other, uh, live [00:39:30] YouTube or anything like that? Mandy? Um, Nope. It's

[00:39:33] Mandy: uh, a little quiet for now, so, uh, yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it up pretty soon.

[00:39:38] Kaisha: Okay. Yeah. You know, um, Jason, as we wrapping up this episode, just starting a new year. Any, any final thoughts before we wrap it up just a little bit early today?

[00:39:48] Jason: Uh, I've just been getting a lot of great feedback about, um, people enjoying the show. Uh, it takes the contributors asking the questions to really drive how much knowledge we can get out there. So big [00:40:00] thanks to everyone that participates, whether it be asking questions in Instagram, um, jumping in for the show itself.

[00:40:06] Jason: Uh, that's, that's really what makes this great.

[00:40:12] Kaisha: Yeah, for sure. It's really, uh, these live shows are just such a great opportunity to have dialect with all y'all, so we really appreciate the live questions. Um, alright. Billbo says he has questions all day. Billbo, what's on your mind? You got something else you wanna ask?

[00:40:28] Bilbo: No, I, I just, I like the back and [00:40:30] forth. So you're trying to get ideas or comments? Pick a topic. There's guaranteed the question

[00:40:35] waiting.

[00:40:35] Kaisha: Well, how was your, how was your harvest last? Harvest of last year? How'd everything go for?

[00:40:40] Bilbo: Well, we are on a, a sequence, so I start a harvest group ev uh, the day that the clonal propagations are taken from donors.

[00:40:48] Bilbo: So we're currently working in harvest groups that started in late December, and ones that have yet to be induced into rooting. So, [00:41:00] Everything's been going good. Trending up on TURPs and THC and, uh, biomass yield. The harvest indexes are looking really good too. Getting them up as high as possible. A lot of math, a lot of, uh, processes that people have been, they're new to.

[00:41:16] Bilbo: Like, were you're weighing that, oh, you're weighing that, or we're labeling that, or, you know, we're, we're checking this 10 times to make sure that it's accurate. Um, we've seen some adverse. [00:41:30] reactions to what we suspect are environmental, uh, in a particular cultivar. So, you know, roll into a mitigation role or, uh, resource allocation for, uh, how you're gonna get rid of it.

[00:41:42] Bilbo: If you see it expressing a certain way, you realize that this is not gonna be sellable as, uh, in a product format that you originally anticipated. So, dealing with challenges, um, definitely have been able to only through coming. Only combing through copious amounts of data. And this is why I keep asking a lot of [00:42:00] data-driven questions from the AROYA platform.

[00:42:02] Bilbo: Uh, have I been able to take a stab at, uh, continual improvement? I think without that, everyone is destined to wonder how much things cost and generally fail as a

[00:42:16] Jason: business. It's a, it's an interesting balance if you are capturing enough information to make good decisions with your own hands and eyes, um, and simple spot measurements, you don't [00:42:30] have enough time to analyze it all.

[00:42:31] Jason: And so that's kind of, kind of one of the challenges that I was. Very excited to, to tackle, uh, while I was cultivating was how can I automate some of this information, whether it's taking plant height with security cameras, um, whether it was substrate sensors with terrace twelves, whether it was, um, implementing.

[00:42:52] Jason: Outside measurements, um, and running comparisons so that the, the operation didn't care whether it was spring, summer, or uh, [00:43:00] or winter. Uh, all those gave me more time to accelerate the improvements that we could make because instead of taking them, I was, yeah. Have

[00:43:09] Bilbo: you heard of Spot from Boston Dynamics?

[00:43:13] Jason: Oh, yeah.

[00:43:14] Bilbo: Okay. So start action. Viable. Solution to you bottom line? Not initially, of course you have that investment, but uh, something like can easily take plant height [00:43:30] registrations. I mean, if you have a infrared barometer, you can definitely get your lease surface temperature from an A device. But whether it's, uh, a robot or some form of automation, there's those, those metrics that I think we've really been.

[00:43:45] Bilbo: Drilling into today that they end up being some of the deciding factors at, at when you would switch your steer or react to, uh, an incoming pest pressure event or, or [00:44:00] things of that nature. So generally, um, drilling down into costs and analyzing data. I mean, that's something that I would love to spend more time training the team to be able to do, but right now it's.

[00:44:15] Bilbo: As you said, you know, you spend more time doing one than the other. It's an imbalance.

[00:44:21] Kaisha: Billbo, you're located in Canada, right? Yeah. You having, um, kind of similar issues up there with like, kind of overproduction of cannabis? Mm-hmm. I,

[00:44:29] Bilbo: [00:44:30] I don't think so. No, hon Honestly, that there's a, there's a huge portion of the market that can't produce anything of merit.

[00:44:37] Bilbo: There is a huge portion of the market that wants to. Based on price alone, but there has always been and continues to grow a substantial number of people. So a portion of the market still that is chasing a, uh, an acceptable quality limit that only certain people are going to be able to meet. Now, it [00:45:00] doesn't matter the market or the region of the world, if you have a brand and.

[00:45:06] Bilbo: Have some sort of following. I'm of the belief that you will be fine as a business, but if you're completing for that lowest, lowest price to produce and and goofiest product, then it's probably gonna be really challenging for you. What I see more often than not right now is, uh, people retooling their facilities.

[00:45:26] Bilbo: To, uh, want to compete, to want to stay [00:45:30] in it, because they do, they, they can do the math, even the napkin math, cowboy math. Um, but they, they are new to doing it with less with this level of data that really, I think is a deciding factor between your booth and your bangers.

[00:45:49] Kaisha: Career words were never spoken. I love it, . All right, bill. But we really appreciate your insights. We are gonna close it out early today. Um, but you know, always please join [00:46:00] us. Keep coming back, bring up stuff that's going on with you. Um, Mandy, thank you from co moderating with me and Jason, thank you for holding down the conversation as you do week after week.

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