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[00:00:00] Kaisha: All right. It's 420 on Thursday. That means it's time for office hours, your source for free cannabis cultivation education. My name is Kaisha. I am your co-moderator. Vandy, how's it

[00:00:13] Mandy: going? Hey there, Kaisha. It's going well. We're here for episode 53. Dang. Look at us. You'll know. We're also going live around YouTube, so make sure if you're here or with your, if you're over there with us, you send us your questions and I'll make sure I get those to the team.

[00:00:29] Mandy: Also, [00:00:30] if you're active on social media, make sure you're following us on all the platforms. So we are on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, and Social Club, but we got y'all's cultivation questions in this week. So I'm gonna go ahead and throw it back over to

[00:00:43] Kaisha: you, Kaisha. Thank you, Mandy. All right. Anybody who's on with us live today, if you have a question, feel free to type it in the chat at any time.

[00:00:50] Kaisha: We'll either unmute you if your question gets picked or I can ask for you. Seth and Jason are in the house. How are you guys?

[00:00:58] Seth: I'm doing great. Yeah, [00:01:00] it's it didn't snow or rain today. It's a beautiful day here in the northwest and happy to be. Yeah,

[00:01:05] Kaisha: no, totally. Bay area's monsoon season has ended for the time being, so it's really exciting Sunny day.

[00:01:11] Kaisha: And I hear word on the street is that you've got some feature updates to walk us through today.

[00:01:15] Jason: Yeah, you bet. So I'll get my screen shared here and just show some of the updates in the interface that we've recently launched. I think the first one we were talking about is split graphs. It's, for me, probably one of my favorite upgrades to the system [00:01:30] because it lets us look at more data at once.

[00:01:33] Jason: So I'm gonna go ahead and pull it up and give everyone a tour of what split graphs can do. First off, how you enable split graphs is with the more options for the graph options button, the whole gear icon up in the top left when you're in the room Dashboard. We can go into show split graphs. What that's gonna do is it'll give us the environment information that can be displayed up here in the top, and then the substrate [00:02:00] information on the bottom.

[00:02:01] Jason: And just like usual, we can display what types of information we want. So maybe if I want V P D as well on the top, this is my basic setup when I just start looking at data that's vpd relative humidity, temperature of the air, and then water content. And. Electrical connectivity for the substrate.

[00:02:20] Jason: This gives kind of a good picture of, what's going

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[00:02:22] Jason: in the snapshot right now. Another one of my favorite way things to do as well is if you are using harvest groups, which always encourage people to [00:02:30] track their groups, is look at the whole harvest group at once and then start zooming into pictures or parts of that sample.

[00:02:35] Jason: And the reason that I like doing that is cuz it gives you some background on what the plants have been through and possibly why they are behaving the way they are. At this point, you can zoom in, start to look for anomalies, start calculating your dry backs, get an idea of your ucs stack in the way that you want, all that types of stuff that we're used to.

[00:02:54] Seth: Yeah. I just love breaking it out, once I've got, every value that we look at is something that, any cultivator wants to be [00:03:00] looking at some point. And really should be seeing it all in one spot though, gets a little busy a little hard to pull apart. And this view really simplifies it.

[00:03:07] Seth: It also allows me to do cool things. Like if I look at just my water content, for instance, I can see, okay, we've got these slight fluctuations in p d throughout the day. My dehus kicked on it looks like right after they watered V P D actually went up and set it down right after watering, or right during watering.

[00:03:24] Seth: Went down right after. But now I can look at, okay, while I've got this lower V P D, maybe I'm seeing a faster rate of dry [00:03:30] back or higher V P d rather. And then if I've got lower V P d, maybe that line flattens out when I actually zoom into the, let's say one hour level. And it just makes it a lot easier to pick those things out quickly rather than having to deselect different data types and deselect zones.

[00:03:44] Seth: So I can really isolate it. Now, I can look at, okay. Here's all of my water averages. There's my V P D. Now I can easily look at V P D and RH compared to water content averages. So it's really easy. And, just one more way to simplify this data interpretation for you [00:04:00] and save time ultimately.

[00:04:03] Seth: And

[00:04:03] Jason: I think our most, all our options here are still available with this split. So if we wanna see individual sensor readings, we can turn that on. Obviously it's going to set a zone average. It'll display the information from all the sensors in the room, given their serial number. One thing that a lot of our clients end up doing is renaming that serial number or something else that makes sense.

[00:04:22] Jason: Possibly a zone, front zone back type of information to also help them divulge clues about what they're [00:04:30] searching for as far as room consistencies and irrigation system behaviors, all that types of stuff. Also you can show the room averages. So, if you've got multiple climate stations in there, sometimes that's really helpful for making HVAC set points on your control systems.

[00:04:44] Jason: , and, or, trying to make a general irrigation decision for the whole room.

[00:04:49] Seth: Yeah. And one of the things I really like too is now that we've split the graphs, it also splits the scaling. So I can look at my envi environmental sensor data all scaled relatively in a small [00:05:00] range.

[00:05:00] Seth: Whereas if I have, let's say, 25 to 65% range on my water content scale, but then my vpd scales very much, zoomed in, it's not gonna scale quite as well if I'm displaying all that on one graph. So the split graph really lets us kind of get a, just a much more, I don't wanna say accurate, because our graphs are always accurate, but the better you are as a grower, everything except water content ec, your spikes are gonna get smaller and smaller.

[00:05:24] Seth: And as the graph scales in, they'll look bigger and bigger. So it's nice to kinda eliminate some of that, first [00:05:30] thing in the morning shock when I see a spike, then I go, oh, okay. Yeah, that's only 0.1. That's not a big deal. Yeah. And

[00:05:36] Jason: I'm glad you said that cuz it's also another reason that I like to look at the whole harvest group as at once is because some of those really big looking changes scale to, some of their actual impact on the room.

[00:05:49] Jason: Obviously if we had the perfect room and it was a, straight line plus or minus 0.2 degrees those 0.2 would be massive jumps in our screen. So, yeah, definitely something to be aware of is [00:06:00] take note of the auto adjusting scale when you are trying to address the differences that you're seeing in the values coming across here.

[00:06:09] Seth: and Yeah, to, to me, the most frustrating part is when I talk to people that are worried about it and then we kinda explore that. It's like, Hey, this just means you're doing good, , chill out. I know it's a big bump, but That's a good sign, buddy.

[00:06:19] Jason: Exactly. All right, well let's just jump right into the next one and we can ask or answer some questions that come in live about either of these options after we preview the other [00:06:30] feature that we've just released.

[00:06:32] Jason: So I'm gonna jump in here and I've got my split graphs going. Cause actually that's kind of just how I look at things all the time now. And what we've done is, obviously originally we've released in AROYA we were using some substrate sensors with a solar panel on there that's calibrated for sunshine, for natural daylight.

[00:06:50] Jason: Not always were those solar panels very accurate for LEDs, H P s. Trim, metal highlight type of spectrums. Really the [00:07:00] reason we were doing that is just to give more sensors that are indicating our lights on or lights off. Is there an issue with with some of the control systems that are having our lights go on and off?

[00:07:10] Jason: And what we did a couple years ago was release that app GS Q 5 21 quantum sensored, which is actually a very accurate light sensor for most all spectrums. Have done a good job calibrating it for indoor lighting types as, as well as outdoor. And we had consolidated all those into our light reading [00:07:30] and so recently we've actually split that into to two light and intensity and light indicator.

[00:07:35] Jason: Basically feedback from our client said, Hey, we want it to be easier for us to. The data coming from just the quantum sensor so that we know what our intensity is. And so as our value types going forward, you'll now have light intensity and light indicator. If your facility does not have Apache quantum sensor, then you're not gonna have that light intensity option.

[00:07:56] Jason: You'll just have the light indicator, and usually those [00:08:00] curves should always track with each other, but we're gonna see those obviously the light at the substrate quite a bit lower or that solar panel on the climate station's quite a bit lower. So just a great way to, validate across the board, Hey, do all of our sensors agree that the lights came on or the lights came off?

[00:08:15] Jason: That's a great option for light indicator. And then obviously light intensity is trying to evaluate things like, are we providing enough supplemental lighting in our greenhouses? Are our bulbs degrading? Is our footprint not great for the way that we've got our [00:08:30] lighting space to? Maybe we need to raise or lower those lights, any of the options that affect the top of the canopy.

[00:08:36] Seth: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and separating that out really makes it a lot easier. Previously you'd be looking for generally either the sensor named your Quantum or P F D sensor. That's typically what I'd suggest people do. Now you can just with a checkbox, split that up and see like, okay, for sure here's my instantaneous P D P F D at that sensor point.

[00:08:54] Seth: So it makes it just a little bit quicker. And I like this cause it's gonna encourage people to maybe [00:09:00] actually check on that value a lot more. Historically especially indoor growers, greenhouse growers if you're able to have a DLI sensor, like that was pretty cool. Not everyone had 'em though.

[00:09:08] Seth: And then indoor growers specifically, typically you're trying to get your ppfd dialed in at a certain, plant height away from the light. But we're not usually, taking a multi-time a day measurement to, let's say, watch the degradation of our H P s bulbs. . You might check at the beginning of the run in the middle and the end and say, okay, we're, yep, we're seeing a lower light level [00:09:30] than we want.

[00:09:30] Seth: But now we can actually look back over time and say, okay, we switched bold brands. We gotta replace these every six months for sure with this brand. Or, maybe not. Maybe we've say, all right, we've got a 10% reduction in light intensity. We'll live with that until it hits 25%. I'm not recommending that necessarily, but it allows you to make that choice in a little bit more educated manner.

[00:09:51] Seth: Because once you lock into that two month flowering cycle, no one really wants to drag a ladder around and replace light bulbs. And [00:10:00] in general, you really wanna avoid maintenance, any kind of maintenance over your plants. It's just one more opening for loss and profit. Yeah,

[00:10:08] Jason: that, that's absolutely right.

[00:10:09] Jason: And if nothing else, it's kind of safety of mind for consistency, operational consistency are guys forgetting to turn the work lights off when they go in and spray. It's our control system did have a reboot and defaulted to on any of those types of things. Having full eyes on with with like the alerts that we have built in here for lights on, lights off alerts[00:10:30] get a text when something screwy like that happens and go investigate why it happened.

[00:10:34] Jason: And that's, what you'll hear from us is always continuous improvement, is investigating when things happen, understand why and then try and prevent some safeguards for that that type of issue in the future. I think it might be good to just segue a little bit into daily lighting in a crawl.

[00:10:49] Jason: I know it's something that we probably haven't touched on in, in quite a while with the show here. , and maybe it'd be a good time to chat about it. So, well, what I did up here was I just plotted daily lighting in a [00:11:00] grill. And again, that's gonna only be available for people that are utilizing the quantum sensor with the AROYA system.

[00:11:06] Jason: And DLI daily lighting integral is really just an integral, so it is the accumulated number of photons that hit a specific amount of area over a period of time. For growing, usually that period of time is most commonly 24 hours. So we have our lights on for 12 hours and this is a greenhouse that we're looking at, but if it were indoor, it would usually be a light intensity that's perfectly square, and we'd [00:11:30] see our DLI accumulate on a very linear line.

[00:11:33] Jason: And obviously when that lights off our accumulator or our integral of that doesn't increase anymore. One of the interesting things here is obviously if we were going for 18 hours, we would see an, a light accumulation for a lot longer. Really the most important thing about DLI is understanding that it is the total amount of energy that's hitting these plants as a sampled area, obviously.

[00:11:55] Jason: And that's why we have to have good lighting con uniformity across. The [00:12:00] room, but it's the total amount of energy that's hitting these plants that can be utilized for growth. When we look at photosynthesis, it's obviously water plus CO2 catalyzed by light. So it is one of the three most important impacts in making sure our plants have the energy they need to create sugars in in response, increase the number of cells in the plant.

[00:12:20] Jason: And so when we go from something like veg to flour, obviously we're cutting off, you typically say six hours if we're going from an [00:12:30] 18 hour to a 12 hour day. And this is really important to think about how it impacts the plant. If we if we're going from that transition, we wanna make sure the plant's getting this at least the same amount of.

[00:12:41] Jason: As it did when it was in the 18 hour light cycle. So typically that means we're gonna have to up our light intensity from the veg to the flower room about 33% or about a third roughly. Because that's how much less time that we're providing that light. And we want to make sure the plants have the same amount or maybe even just [00:13:00] slightly more energy to continue the metabolism rate that they've been building

[00:13:04] Seth: on.

[00:13:05] Seth: Yeah. And part of that too I'm wanna touch on here, like, when we're using DLI and cannabis production, Jason nailed it. There. We're really trying to match up that total amount of energy whenever we make a day length shift, right? Like, we don't want to go backwards. And part of that is also, learning now how we can dial our, increasing lighting intensity and veg to help us achieve our goals when we hit flour.

[00:13:24] Seth: So part of that equation is saying, okay, in flour, I am gonna go up in intensity [00:13:30] from veg, of course, just to match our dli. But what do I need to be at in veg in order to hit flour and minimize my loss of production time? If I have, some old 3, 3 15 cmhs mounted to the ceiling, eight feet above my plants, and they're getting 250 P

[00:13:44] F

[00:13:44] Seth: D all the way through veg.

[00:13:46] Seth: I'm gonna either have to veg in flour or waste production time in flour, hardening off those plants to that increased light intensity. The plants have to produce more chlorophyll. They've got to, be ready to receive all of that light [00:14:00] radiation and actually photosynthesize with it. Otherwise, we see, that classic.

[00:14:05] Seth: Dim and veg. Oh man, you burned them. Right? And that's just that those leaves do not have enough photosynthesis to actually absorb the amount of light intensity they're getting. And you get sunburnt your radiation damage to the leave, to the leaves. Yep. So this is really an important factor to consider when you're trying to scale up and really get your crop to perform reliably every time.

[00:14:26] Seth: And also, it's a really great tool to say, okay, I've got this going on in my [00:14:30] facility. We have power issues, we have some light fixture issues that we can't fix. How can I deal with that in a way and actually make a decision that I know is gonna work rather than say, oh, turn the lights down to 50%. Okay what is 50%?

[00:14:43] Seth: What light are you running? How long has that light been on? What kind of intensity are we looking at? We can accurately measure this and not go off of what it's supposed to be, but rather what it is. Yeah,

[00:14:54] Jason: I'm glad that you brought up the dimming thing. A lot of manufacturers their dimmings actually based on the input [00:15:00] wattage that's going into the bulb, and that doesn't always trans transcribe directly to the light, tends to coming out of it based on their efficiency at different power levels.

[00:15:09] Jason: So another great thing to kind of document is, all right, when we are at a dimmed rate, what is the actual amount of light that's hitting there? Does it actually directly correspond to the percentage on the controller or is it a non-linear relationship between between that? So an example would be if I'm at 50% on the light settings, am I just [00:15:30] getting 40% of the actual at the canopy?

[00:15:34] Seth: Yeah. And you know for a fact we know these especially h p s bulbs, but also ods have a range in both efficiency of output and the spectrum they put out based on how much power's going in. So rarely is that relationship actually linear. It might be somewhat close, but the better you can map it, the more options you have and the better decision you can make.

[00:15:52] Seth: I mean, that's what it really comes back to is I mean, 10 years ago if you looked at a lot of forums online, you'd see an interesting thing where [00:16:00] people are comparing different grow light brands and it happens all the time. However, back then not that many people were walking around with an apogee being able to actually test the light intensity and the spectrum they're getting outta the lights they ordered.

[00:16:11] Seth: We kind of just trusted what was, advertised. And now we go, okay, I don't care what the manufacturer says, I want to do the best I can in this system. And part of that is quantifying how much light I actually have available to me.

[00:16:25] Kaisha: What an amazing overview and I, what I really appreciate about what you guys were [00:16:30] talking about is like there's so many layers and nuances and opportunities to, to gather more data and learn more.

[00:16:36] Kaisha: So really thank you guys for that. I feel a blog post coming out about lighting. So , it's probably a long overdue. Yeah, if anyone out there has any new, any questions about these new features, split graphs and light intensity, feel free to drop 'em in the chat so we can get 'em answered live.

[00:16:51] Kaisha: Otherwise AIA customers enjoy it. All right, Mandy, I think we got some live questions over on YouTube. Yeah, we definitely

[00:16:57] Mandy: did. Gabriel wrote in. [00:17:00] Says, love you, love your show. Thanks for the shout out. Hey, do you know what 10% to pull on day 30? And he followed up with some clarification. So I'm used to doing a 90% strip on day one, and now we've changed to a 10% strip on day 30.

[00:17:16] Mandy: Can you shed some light?

[00:17:18] Seth: Well, I mean, typically I wouldn't quantify a defoliation or a strip with a percentage of leaves. What I'm looking at is specific morphological features. Like do I, am I looking to strip the [00:17:30] plant up? The classic lollipop, if you're leaving it for 30 days, I'm guessing the printing style you're going for is more What we see in the industry now is, the four pounds per light model.

[00:17:39] Seth: You got one to two pounds of good bud. You got a pound of B grade what you're putting in your joints and a pound of trim. A lot of it's gonna depend on what your business model is. Do you need to support that? 30% of weight in B grade joint rolling because, always go back to it.

[00:17:56] Seth: If you ask me five or six years ago, I wouldn't have thought pre-rolls would be a huge thing in the market, [00:18:00] but they are, and it hurts to take your weed. That's beautiful jar quality. You want to be on the shelf and then wrap it in a paper and have to sell it for cheap just because that's a necessary part of your brand.

[00:18:11] Seth: So that's something to evaluate. And we've seen a lot of different models. If we go look back at. The word schwas has been around for quite a while. that to some people that means a lollipop. To some people, that means removing every fan leaf on the whole plant. So, standardizing that's important.

[00:18:27] Seth: And looking at what your actual [00:18:30] goal is. If you just keep popping leaves, all we're gonna do is stress the plant. If that's the only goal, you gotta go into it with some sort of strategy. And also be patient. It all goes back to crop registration. If you used to do a 90% strip on day one, and now you only do a 10% strip on day 30, really document those results.

[00:18:48] Seth: And, I, my go-to with the pruning is take pictures. Picture's worth a thousand words because man, it'd be great if every single cultivator was on the same wavelength in terms of [00:19:00] terminology here. But we're not, because we're humans and people use different terms to communicate the same thing.

[00:19:05] Seth: That's just reality. Yeah,

[00:19:08] Jason: kind of just expanding on that. Taking pictures is really gonna be the best way that you can document this. And if you can save 'em into your harvest group, you're making everyone's life easier for looking back on runs and understanding. How did that impact the growth of the plant?

[00:19:22] Jason: Did we see a major drop in transpiration right after a strip? So that would be represented by smaller dry backs. Did we end up with a better [00:19:30] ratio of abud S to B buds? Is this that acceptable? Was did it come with a loss in total yield? All these are things that you kind of have to understand how they fit in your processes.

[00:19:40] Jason: Do we wanna cut on labor costs and we do have an outlook for bbu buds and maybe trim, then let's reduce our de leafing. . And most importantly, there is usually a balance for what. Best stripping amount for each strain. That's gonna be different for certain strains. Obviously the plant needs to capture that light.

[00:19:59] Jason: [00:20:00] We were just talking about lights. So it's a great transition into this. What the leafs are doing is capturing photons for the area of leaf. If we take off too many of those leafs, it's like solar panels. That plant is actually getting less power. And so it kind of comes down to understanding, all right, how can we clean up this plant, make sure it's performing as efficiently as possible, yet not go over the top.

[00:20:23] Jason: Stress it, and also reduce it, its ability to grow quickly.

[00:20:27] Seth: Yeah. And a big thing too with defoliation I find [00:20:30] is it goes right back to the terms. If we just say dele, what does that mean to everyone? Some people it just means pull leaves to me, if I'm gonna tell someone to go dele or defoliate, what that means is to pull just fan leaves that are not connected to the base of a bud.

[00:20:44] Seth: So if I'm, doing that week three, anywhere between day 21 and 30 cleanup, depending on the strain, if I'm pulling off just a bu a leaf at that point down low in the canopy, I'm really just ensuring that the bud that, that leaf's attached to is not gonna grow to its fullest potential.[00:21:00] A good way to think about it as if you're at day 30 and that's your first 10% taking.

[00:21:05] Seth: you've already spent a certain amount of time growing those lower buds. So if you're gonna do a hard prune, then you've wasted 20 to 30 days growing amount of plant material that you're gonna throw away. So that's one thing you wanna think about. These defoliation, we want to give all of the buds that we wanna harvest the maximum amount of time to grow and develop and not waste energy, water, co2, and nutrients on growing buds that we're [00:21:30] gonna throw away.

[00:21:30] Seth: Whether that day of throwaway happens at day one, day 21, or day 42, if it was day 42, man, you're thrown away some stuff you could potentially blast at a certain point, , so always keep that kind of, those kind of things in mind, and another one, keep, if you are a cultivator, it's really good to be exposed to the whole process from the beginning of edge.

[00:21:53] Seth: All the way to the end of harvest with the same strains so that you understand how what you do [00:22:00] affects the plant in the future. You're not just passing, like if you're in the bedroom only, you're not passing off bad habits to the flower room crew. If you could be continuing to do something that you don't understand as a problem, they could be inheriting that problem and not understanding that it's a problem yet, trying to deal with that frustration.

[00:22:18] Seth: And if you don't communicate and if no one's you know, looking at the whole picture, you're probably gonna go in a lot of circles before you figure it out.

[00:22:27] Mandy: Yeah, no one wants to do that. Michael[00:22:30] he actually gave some advice in the chats. Using your light sensors helps with measuring cleanup knowing how much energy is reaching each part of your plants, lets you decide where to start.

[00:22:39] Mandy: Cutting. Thanks for that. Yeah, we love that. And Gabriel, thanks for your question. We also had another question over on YouTube. Dr. J 3 0 3 rode in, I think I went to vegetative bulk vegetative during bulk. I don't have a sensor, so I think it was too wet. I only got three and a half pounds on four 600 WA LEDs.

[00:22:59] Mandy: I need to buy the [00:23:00] home grower sensor. Do you have any advice for him?

[00:23:07] Jason: I think this is one of the reasons that our system's become so critical in cultivation at scale, is just because it makes people have the ability to track as much data as possible and understand insights as far as what's growing. And it helps give enough context to questions like this question that you can go down the right path rather than trying to take multiple paths and understand which one of [00:23:30] the relationships led to the low yield in this case.

[00:23:33] Jason: So I, I wish we could pinpoint it down as the best information I can say is as much crop registration as you have time and patience for is what's gonna help you determine, was it a switch for crops during too quickly? Was it some other type of impact? Maybe like a parameter just

[00:23:51] Seth: off.

[00:23:53] Seth: Yeah, I mean there's a few things to look at. I think Jason nailed it without having some numbers to attach to some of these values. I know 600 wat light helps, but [00:24:00] is that l e d? Is that h ps what kind of v p d are you able to achieve in the room during full flower? So at week three or four or five, six, can you keep it in a 1.2 to 1.4 range?

[00:24:11] Seth: Or is that just not feasible? Are you stuck down at 0.9? Cuz that could be part of your problem if you don't have enough transpiration enough water. Even if we have enough light in co2, if we don't have enough water, we're not gonna get the yield. The other thing to think about too is if you aren't monitoring your moisture content, your soil it's really easy to bad root system [00:24:30] problems early on.

[00:24:30] Seth: And, we kind of keep hammering on it. The farther you are into any growth cycle, whether it's a vegetative or flowering, the less you're gonna be able to do to affect that final yield. So stay on top of it is really the best thing you can do. .

[00:24:45] Mandy: Awesome. Thank you guys for that. And yeah, Dr.

[00:24:48] Mandy: Jay, if you have any more clarification, please do right in and I'll get it to the team. But I think that we also have some questions that came in on Instagram this week, so I'm gonna throw it back over to Kaisha.

[00:24:57] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. Yep. Anybody who's live with [00:25:00] us today, be sure to drop your questions in the chat so that Seth and Jason can talk to it.

[00:25:03] Kaisha: All right, we have a lot of questions in from Instagram. We didn't even get to any of those questions last week, so I'm gonna start with this one. Dave Bray wrote in, if my max water content is 48% in one gallon cocoa quick fills, and I'm trying to steer Jen in early flower. How long should I go for dry backs?

[00:25:22] Kaisha: Any advice there?

[00:25:24] Jason: It's gonna depend a little bit on what that root system looks like when you're starting flour. So I mean, [00:25:30] assuming that you've veg in in that one gallon, so you do have an existing red system, typically a hard generative type steering would be like a 22 hour dry back. If you do see those water contents going too low, you might need to widen your irrigation window to say a four hour irrigation window, and that would be a 20 hour dry back.

[00:25:51] Jason: But but usually that data's gonna give you a pretty good indication right off the bat on what that that irrigation window needs to be in order to hit the dry [00:26:00] backs that you are shooting for.

[00:26:02] Seth: Yeah, I mean, one of the biggest things I'd look at there is how tall are you flipping your plants in a one gallon pot?

[00:26:07] Seth: I'm gonna flip 'em, 12 to 22 inches, probably pretty darn short, so that I can actually have a 22 hour dry back for at least the first week or two. That being said, and I do wanna point out, I'm glad you gave us some actual moisture content numbers, whether you're using the solis. Full AROYA system or something else.

[00:26:25] Seth: That's a great place to actually start with this. My protocol, if I was doing this by [00:26:30] hand, is to check it before I water in the morning, check it before my P one s, see what my low point actually is. Check it right after my P one s and then go check it. If I'm there and I'm really trying to dial this in, I'm gonna go check that about every hour and try to start calculating my rate of dry back with the given room conditions.

[00:26:48] Seth: And then I'm gonna go check it an hour or two, usually at least two hours before, and say, okay, have I started at 48? Am I down at 28 right now, right before bedtime, or right before the plants go to [00:27:00] sleep, lights go off. Okay. Judging primary rate of dry back today, if I look at what happened yesterday, I know that if I don't add this maintenance shot, two hours before lights go off, or one hour at the latest, if I know I'm gonna over dry without adding that, I'm definitely gonna put it on.

[00:27:14] Seth: But it's gonna be hard to really dial that timing without continuing to attach numbers throughout the day. Time series. Data is critical when we're trying to actually really dial these drive back times. Yeah. One of the things

[00:27:26] Jason: that's really nice about the strategy that we present [00:27:30] is we've kind of separated EC management and drive back into two different variables, right?

[00:27:35] Jason: When we talk about the drive backs that we're going to ideally achieve, you're always gonna be hitting Your field capacity, pretty early in the irrigation cycle. And so we know our drive backs are usually gonna be the low point, that field capacity minus the low point. If our EC isn't doing what we want, then we're gonna start playing with the size of those irrigations in order to achieve more or less runoff and let that ec either [00:28:00] climb up as it accumulates in the substrate or decrease and get closer to our P V C.

[00:28:06] Seth: Yeah, and that's a good point. If we looked at like, let's say a greenhouse situation where that day-to-day drive back is dynamic, right? We've got a little bit different DLI going on. If I look at it and go, okay, I've actually managed to stack up a decent amount, is EC in this medium? But hey, I had 25% more light today than I did yesterday and my dry back is much steeper.

[00:28:26] Seth: I might start making the decision to put on a maintenance shot on [00:28:30] those days so that I don't go too deep on the dry back and spike my ec wildly outside of what it's been doing the previous week or so, let's say. So there's a lot of small decisions to make that come with just monitoring your moisture content throughout the day.

[00:28:45] Kaisha: Fantastic. You guys. Thank you so much. All right. We got more action happening on YouTube. Yeah. Oh man. It's popping

[00:28:50] Mandy: over there. We got a bunch of shoutouts. Gabriel says, appreciate you guys. Thank you guys for the answers, and holy moly, how do you get such a professional response for free? Aw, we love the [00:29:00] shoutouts.

[00:29:00] Mandy: Craig wrote in, he has a question, and I believe this is about the platform. Can the scale on the right of the graphs have its rules held constant instead of focusing in when parameters get narrower?

[00:29:12] Jason: Currently it auto adjusts to the data that is being displayed in the zoom window. Right. So that's kinda what I was talking about.

[00:29:20] Jason: Sometimes it's nice to zoom out because we'll get a little bit a little bit bigger scale on things and understand the flexibility. Really it's just kind of our brains tricking us. I is What's going on [00:29:30] with that? As, as far as to answer the question, we don't currently have a way to, to lock that.

[00:29:34] Jason: It is consistent or constantly. Adjusted to what's being mapped in the screen.

[00:29:42] Mandy: Awesome. Thank you guys for that. I guess that's it over on YouTube for now. Kaisha, I will pass it back over to you.

[00:29:48] Kaisha: Thank you Mandy. Yeah, Mikey wrote a comment here and Mikey, if you wanna unmute yourself to speak to her, feel free, but let me just read it.

[00:29:53] Kaisha: Clock pots are getting more popular versus plastic cloth leaves you with more evaporation from the [00:30:00] substrate. In addition to the plant transpiration, Seth, Jason, anything to add to that? Yep. And I hear you on the trouble, the difficult signal. Nike. All good

[00:30:08] Seth: Yes. Get cloth pots. They're awesome. That's how I grew my weed this year.

[00:30:12] Seth: I love them. One thing I really love about cloth pots personally, especially when we're talking about smaller media, which, if we look back far enough, a lot of us were grown in five, 10 plus gallon pots and now we're down into one or two root printing. You know that cloth pot is constantly air pruning your roots, [00:30:30] which means we don't have the inefficiencies that come with long circling roots.

[00:30:33] Seth: Instead, we have short split roots that provide the shortest milk, the most direct pathway for water and nutrients to reach the growing part of the plant. So, big benefits there and it makes our job easier cuz then, when we tell you to go stick the sensor in there, it just works. You don't have to cut a hole in the pot or anything like that.

[00:30:55] Jason: Yeah. And you know what? Kind of, just to get it, get at the Ritz thing it helps provide a [00:31:00] aerobic environment for those writs. So anytime that we see some brown RITs, maybe we are over irrigating keeping that substrate a little bit too saturated. And cloth pots, you're gonna have some dynamics that, you know, just from that evaporation on the outside.

[00:31:14] Jason: And those roots can more likely seek out an ideal amount of water content. That being said, you might see a slight gradient of wetter towards the center of pot. Just make sure you're doing a good job with the placement of your irrigation stakes.

[00:31:27] Seth: Yeah, my biggest advice is if you're using one time used cloth [00:31:30] pots which I do recommend sometimes at the end of the run, they're a little thin and might fall apart when you go to move them out.

[00:31:36] Seth: So, just be prepared for things to get messy. Don't grab the loose part of the bag and start picking 'em up and throwing 'em in on a cart or something. You might make a little bit of a mess, but the, a lot of those cloth pots, especially the one time use, also tend to be a lot more easily biodegradable.

[00:31:50] Seth: So you're not feeling as bad about throwing away plastic bag pots or feeling like you need to spend a lot of time and money scrubbing pots and making people not want to continue [00:32:00] to work at your facility.

[00:32:01] Jason: Compost it, take it home, and start growing fruit and veggies in it. Yeah,

[00:32:07] Seth: And that's a, that's another thing too, depending on where you're at.

[00:32:09] Seth: And it's definitely harder in more urban environments, but composting has been definitely largely underutilized in this industry. We're putting out, I mean, most of this r excess cocoa or waste cocoa would, it will need washed at some point, but just like, any of your local composting facilities that are taking food waste, long clippings, anything like that, and making compost, we're still [00:32:30] dealing with an organic, compostable product that does have uses after it's been used in cannabis production for sure.

[00:32:35] Seth: And

[00:32:36] Jason: it's already charged with nutrients. Yep.

[00:32:38] Seth: Yeah. I can say using excess soil and cocoa from greenhouses made my garden great. Over the years, , I didn't really have to go buy any soil. I can tell you that. I just amend it a little bit and a lot of times if you've already got a good composting operation going, you're just adding the perfect bulking substrate to that.

[00:32:55] Seth: You've already got all the nutrients you need. You just need to be patient with it. [00:33:00]

[00:33:00] Kaisha: Making sustainable decisions for that cultivation. I love to hear it. So good. All right. We're gonna keep it going with some YouTube sorry, some Instagram questions here. Slept in farms, submitted a few, and they actually were looking for irrigation techniques using soil vegetative, and generative, but they submitted a few questions.

[00:33:19] Kaisha: So any like kind of overview or thoughts around, crop steering and soil? What can you guys kind of share with us today on that?

[00:33:27] Jason: The general things that we prescribe [00:33:30] are typically going to be effective in soil. One of the biggest questions there to ask is, are we actively feeding it with synthetic nutrients?

[00:33:38] Jason: Do we have a dissolved salts or a liquid fertilizer in our feed? Obviously it's gonna be a little bit trickier to stack up if you're working on the speed of organic breakdown of nutrients in the substrate.

[00:33:49] Seth: Yeah. I'm just gonna start with the definition of soil. Soil takes years to develop as distinct horizons, including a top organic layer and lower mineral layers.

[00:33:57] Seth: If it's in a pot, you're not grown in soil. So let's start [00:34:00] there. You're growing in what's called a soilless mix. When we talk about irrigation strategies concerning crop steering, The biggest factor that one of the, probably the biggest factor we're looking at is, cellular respiration In roots.

[00:34:11] Seth: We're controlling the amount of oxygen we're putting in that root zone by how many shots we're putting on every single day. If you're actually in soil, which means you're in the ground or potentially in a raised bed that's existed for several years and been co curated to actually create a soil chance in, in the bed, you might have some control, but [00:34:30] chances are on the ground, you don't have a lot of control over that dry back rate.

[00:34:34] Seth: Now, moving to a smaller container, if you are in a soilless mix, even if it's organic, it's still a soilless mix. If you're in a two or three gallon pot with a soilless mix, you can actually start to control that dry back and you're dealing with the same strategies We've talked about ad nauseum on here, more shots, more vegetative.

[00:34:53] Seth: Less shots, shorter window, more generative. It's the exact same principles. The thing here is that unless [00:35:00] you are supplementing salt nutrients, like Jason was saying, you're not gonna have that same kind of EC control. That being said, that doesn't mean you can't utilize some of these same irrigation techniques, even if you are in a soilless mix and feeding compost teas every other.

[00:35:16] Seth: To get your nutrition, your EC action is just gonna be a little more variable. And on top of that, one thing I want to mention is a lot of soilless growers I've talked to are soilless mix growers. Won't say soil . I have too much respect [00:35:30] for soil scientists. Is that a lot of them, once they actually get, a soil analysis done or a nutrient solution analysis or start sticking something like the T 12 in there, they start to realize that at different points in that production cycle, their soil actually was hitting a fairly high ec.

[00:35:46] Seth: That was one, that's one of the things we've noticed with classic organic production versus real basic go back 15, 20 years in commercial type production where we were grown in like sunshine Mix and using Tero 20 20 20. A [00:36:00] lot of those organic soils actually did have a very high EC at different points in time because of the degradation of their components.

[00:36:07] Seth: So, Ignorance is bliss a little bit when we're talking about EC in, a living soil situation. But at the end of the day, frequency, watering windows,

[00:36:23] Jason: consistency is key. Excellent.

[00:36:25] Seth: Yes. Run the whole program too. Don't say I'm gonna bulk for this week, and then, [00:36:30] ah, they're ah, they don't look so good.

[00:36:31] Seth: I'm gonna go back generative. And like, no, you gotta stick out the plan to really evaluate what worked. Oh,

[00:36:37] Kaisha: patience so hard. All right. Got another question here. I'm gonna, Dave submitted two questions, but the second one is, he got, he has some data in here, so we're gonna, we're gonna go through, So he is at week one.

[00:36:49] Kaisha: Flower. If I'm currently only able to dry back from about 15% from the end of last irrigation the prior day to lights on the next day, and I'm trying [00:37:00] to steer Generatively, what should I do to get to the 25% dry back? Dry back mark, wait for dry back and irrigate later and later each day, and hope they eventually dry back quicker as they fill out.

[00:37:12] Kaisha: Currently irrigating two hours after lights on for a two hour window. Veg was two weeks. One gallon cocoa

[00:37:19] Jason: beds. Ah, good one gallon cocoa bags. There's the key for us. I mean, the first thing that I would evaluate is what is my plant size coming out of? Veg? Am [00:37:30] I just getting into flour just a little bit early?

[00:37:33] Jason: 15 percent's probably not that bad. It depends on what your field

[00:37:36] Seth: cap is. Yep.

[00:37:37] Jason: It's I wouldn't get too worried about steering generatively with a 15% dry back. That being said, what's your EC doing? Do we see that ec rising up pretty quickly before irrigation the next morning? That's kind of gonna be the telltale for if the plant is feeling a more generative

[00:37:55] Seth: irrigation out front.

[00:37:56] Seth: Generally, if I was, not knowing what your field capacity. Right off the [00:38:00] bat, my rule of thumb when, especially if I'm working with high water content cocoa, which a lot of our commercial customers use, straight cocoa, no per light, fairly fine chop. Before I start hitting P one s, let's say I've got a 60% field capacity, I'm looking for a minimum 15% overnight, dry back to start initiating my P one s.

[00:38:20] Seth: So 15% is actually not that bad. Yeah. Like I wouldn't worry so much about it that next 10%. If you flipped a plant that was too big for the pot, you're gonna hit 25%, no [00:38:30] problem. If you warm up the room a little bit, you'll probably hit 25%, no problem. So don't focus so much on like the total dry back number.

[00:38:39] Seth: Look at it more as like if I'm hitting less than 15 in generative and my plan is appropriately sized for my. , I need to look at my environment or my root zone or my overall environment, or my root zone health. Like do I have bad roots? Do I not have enough roots? But that total dry back number is so variable depending on a bunch of different things [00:39:00] that as long as we're seeing that amount, just ride it out.

[00:39:03] Seth: You're irrigate strategy sounds very on point to me.

[00:39:07] Jason: The, first week flower's probably one of the most difficult to manage as far as irrigations go, just because is a big question mark on how much are these plants gonna drink until we have some amount of established data in in that environment, that light intensity, that those VPDs that root zone, depending on how much it's developed.

[00:39:25] Jason: So just monitor quite a bit during the early stages of flower and make adjustments [00:39:30] based on what you.

[00:39:33] Kaisha: Awesome. Dave, wherever you are. Thank you so much for submitting that question and sharing your data with us. Just a reminder, everybody who's watching right now we've got a few minutes left.

[00:39:41] Kaisha: Be sure to submit your live question if you wanna get answers before we end the show. But our good friend Bilbo is on with us today. You posted a comment, Bilbo and some a question. You wanna go ahead and speak to it?

[00:39:51] Bilbo: Sure. A couple things that I've been seeing. Oh,

[00:39:53] Seth: hi.

[00:39:54] Bilbo: A couple things that I've been seeing over the past 13 harvest groups is a change in [00:40:00] field capacity and I'm wondering if other soilless hybrid substrate cultivators are seeing anything similar.

[00:40:10] Bilbo: I have some hunches, but I also wanted to back this question into you guys and see if you've

[00:40:16] Jason: seen or experienced that. , are you talking run to run or through the dynamics of a single harvest

[00:40:23] Seth: through the dynamics of a single harvest in cocoa specifically. So it's

[00:40:28] Bilbo: basically like an amended [00:40:30] Pete that does contain, an equal part of cocoa.

[00:40:36] Bilbo: It's very, I would say it's like some sort of hybrid between an inert media and something that is somewhat

[00:40:43] Seth: biodynamic. So one thing to look at there is. Really your pore space. , how much pore space do you have? If we've got a perfect setup, we're gonna end up with, 20 to 30% pore space being air in a fully saturated situation.

[00:40:57] Seth: So we want [00:41:00] really good porosity in our media. That being said, throughout a harvest group, from day one to the end, your roots are continually filling out that small pot. So this phenomenon, I'll call it, where your field content goes down a little bit as your roots pack in all that pore space definitely exists.

[00:41:18] Seth: We see it a lot actually in cocoa or P based grows. One thing I've personally noticed is I see it happen a lot more in hard pots or plastic sided pots compared to the [00:41:30] cloth pots. Just because I. That air pruning of the roots, they're starting to circle and take up more and more. And I think the best visual indicator you can get of this is if you've grown in like a one or a two gallon hard pot, you pull that root ball out at the end and you go like, well, where's the cocoa man?

[00:41:46] Seth: Like this just a, this is all roots. Like, I could pretty much eat off this ball of roots. Looks like spaghetti. That's exactly what happened. There's no more room for the water there because all the water can do is inhabit that pore space. Take it up. There's, once the [00:42:00] pores are full, there's nowhere for the water to sit in.

[00:42:02] Seth: And you'll also notice that even if you're hand watering towards the end of the run, you get run off like that compared to, week two, where you're just sitting there waiting for it to fill up that pore space. .

[00:42:12] Bilbo: I like the hand

[00:42:12] Jason: watering gesture there, . Yeah. And one thing as well that's, it's just kind of a maintenance thing, is it's good practice to clean your prongs on your substrate sensors.

[00:42:22] Jason: If you go from round to round and let some salt get build up or other residuals on those prongs, sometimes your readings won't [00:42:30] be as accurate as possible and you won't be able to see how much you actually are losing in field capacity. It might be a side effect of the electrical measurement from prong to prong, having to go through that that residual buildup on there.

[00:42:41] Jason: So, they're very resistant to most types of cleaning products. My favorite is just wiping 'em down with isopropanol

[00:42:48] unless,

[00:42:48] Jason: Unless it's really caked on. And then, in which case you can just leave the sensor head in, in a bucket. Don't put, obviously the electronics and stuff in there, just the part with the prongs and the epoxy.

[00:42:58] Jason: Leave it in there for a short period [00:43:00] of time and let that dissolve down.

[00:43:02] Seth: Yeah, just keeping your probes clean is huge. And then another thing I do like to recognize, especially when you're hand mixing, hand amending, hand potting is anytime you go ahead and transplant a new batch, especially if you've got a solus, go around and see what your baseline is.

[00:43:17] Seth: And e and even if you're not, hand potting or hand mixing in the past, especially when Covid hit the facility I worked at, we struggled to maintain a consistent cocoa supply. It just, supply chain shortages happened and [00:43:30] we didn't know that was gonna happen two months ahead of time.

[00:43:32] Seth: So suddenly we had to get ahold of any brand that had the size that we wanted basically. And what I found was brand to brand. I don't wanna say quality varies wildly cause I don't want to pick on any brand, but yes, quality varies wildly, but also within each brand batch to batch, I've noticed variation in chop quality and water field capacity.

[00:43:52] Seth: It's really important to remember that these are fairly cheap horticultural products. Like we feel like we're getting, [00:44:00] probably overpaying here in the weed market, but there are people that grow tomatoes and cocoa pots as well. So these are cheap products. There's not, the quality tolerances at the manufacturing plants are not that great.

[00:44:10] Seth: You've got people running a machine. Once the product falls wildly outta tolerance, they shut it down, reset the machine and start over. So until we want to pay like 10 bucks a pot , I think we can expect a little variation and it's just good to give yourself an idea of what you're looking at and then adjust your tolerance ranges accordingly.

[00:44:28] Seth: Like that, that there's nothing more [00:44:30] disappointing than when I talk to someone and I've set up a recipe for them and then they switch cocoa brands and they're freaking out because they're consistently 10% lower and the water content guidelines I gave 'em. Then we look back and I go, whoa, chill out.

[00:44:42] Seth: Don't worry. This just, you never were going to hit that. You don't need to stress it.

[00:44:47] Jason: Yeah, and I actually kind of thought of a term, Do crop registration. We're putting manual readings in about our plants. Well, this would be like a initial substrate registration, if you will. Obviously the more samples that we take in a, [00:45:00] any type of population, including the variation across substrates the better idea that we get, that our samples are specifically attributing the population well, right?

[00:45:09] Jason: And so if we go in there and do a hundred measurements with our Solus, which you can now push directly to AROYA using your soilless or excuse me, your Solus app get that in as a manual reading and it'll be plotted in there. Say you'll have a whole bunch of samples that's gonna represent a much bigger part of your population.

[00:45:26] Jason: And then you can see where your where your installed sensors [00:45:30] land in that in that larger sample. Are the plants that I'm sampling or the substrates that I'm got AROYA sensors in, are they closer to the top or the bottom of the group? And how big is that group? Am I seeing a plus or minus 5% holding capacity on these substrates when I take a whole bunch of samples?

[00:45:46] Jason: Or is it much worse? And you can start to evaluate, do we wanna deal with a process change or a procurement change that might be able to improve our outcome throughout the rest of the cycle?

[00:45:57] Seth: ? Yeah, I think you nailed it there. Substrate registration. [00:46:00] got a new thing to focus.

[00:46:03] Kaisha: I love this conversation because it we get a lot of questions around like recommended ranges and things like that, but like, really the idea is to be doing kind of your own research in your own facility and setting up ranges and benchmarks that work for you, right?

[00:46:17] Seth: Oh, yeah. And honestly I'll always go back to it. All these products we're using, you're talking about something being made to be sold to a farmer, so it's really important to utilize all the tools you have at your disposal. To make sure you're doing the best job that you [00:46:30] can. Because at the end of the day, any product you buy, and I'm not saying that companies don't like to support it, but it's still on you to produce the product.

[00:46:39] Seth: So it, it really benefits you to do your homework and do the best job you can rather than just reading a really, because the other thing too is like if I was writing a set of instructions on how to use this substrate or fertilizer, I'm gonna be as conservative as possible, right? Like, I'm not gonna write on a fertilizer label that you should crop steer on a certain schedule because I [00:47:00] know that's not, one glove doesn't fit all.

[00:47:04] Jason: Yeah. It's kind of thinking about crop steering as a term and a journey. And, we, we wanna be the map. We can't tell you how much to turn the steering wheel when you get to North Bend on your way to Seattle. But we can definitely give you the outline on how to drive.

[00:47:17] Kaisha: .

[00:47:17] Kaisha: That's it. And then , Bilbo. You dropped another comment. You wanna ask that question or you want me to ask it for you?

[00:47:23] Seth: There was two. Yeah. Go for it. Okay. The first

[00:47:26] Bilbo: one was just an observation. It's, does AROYA use [00:47:30] this instance of office hours live to learn internally about the

[00:47:33] Seth: industry?

[00:47:36] Seth: We certainly try, yeah. , it's great for Jason and I direct to you,

[00:47:41] Bilbo: to the hosts, the moderators, and the rest of the people from AROYA who come.

[00:47:47] Kaisha: I mean, I'm one of the moderators I learn from every single episode of this show.

[00:47:51] Seth: Amazing. Every single one.

[00:47:54] Mandy: We're constantly learning every interaction, every interview,

[00:47:57] Kaisha: every chat.

[00:47:58] Kaisha: We learn from you. We learn [00:48:00] from anybody who asks the question, and of course we learn from Seth and Jason and anybody who comes on very educational. It's amazing. I have never, I know more about crop steering than I have ever known. In my whole life. Yeah. And I don't relate to anyone anymore, so , it's just these guys.

[00:48:14] Kaisha: So

[00:48:15] Seth: we can tell by your memes .

[00:48:19] Kaisha: Yeah. My friends are like, what is she doing now?[00:48:30]

[00:48:31] Seth: I did. Yeah, I think you already covered that one.

[00:48:32] Kaisha: We're

[00:48:33] Jason: all good. All right. Yes, that's right. And Mikey just

[00:48:35] Kaisha: wrote, that's why I'm here when I can be exactly like it's all educational. So thrilled to be here. All right, Mandy, I think we got another live question in from YouTube. Yeah.

[00:48:45] Mandy: Oh my gosh. You guys, thank you for sending in your questions.

[00:48:47] Mandy: Hoffman's choice wrote N so you at AROYA work with smaller quote sizes or only large purchases. I'm interested in buying two to four TEROS 12s to replace my accurate [00:49:00] $100 volumetric water content sensors. Are there any caveats to integrating these sensors in a DIY system?

[00:49:09] Seth: We don't typically support a DIY system.

[00:49:11] Seth: That being said, There is no bottom end on how small an AROYA system can be. The biggest thing I will say right now is that when you go to purchase the system, if you want to do it, the sooner the better because every time we have a huge commercial client buy something that takes [00:49:30] up some manufacturing capability and can help, start to push out some order times.

[00:49:34] Seth: So I encourage anyone that wants it to book a demo and talk to our salespeople. They're incredibly adaptable at finding a solution that's gonna fit your grow of, I mean, shoe. I think the smallest one we've had is under 400 square feet and the biggest is hundreds of thousands,

[00:49:51] Mandy: Yeah.

[00:49:52] Mandy: Hoffman's choice. If you would like to just go ahead and email us directly, sales dot AROYA meter group.com. Yeah. Or you can go to our [00:50:00] site and book a demo right away. I believe that's all the questions that we have around YouTube for right now, and we're actually getting close to the end of the hour.

[00:50:06] Mandy: So, Kaisha, I'll pass back to you.

[00:50:08] Kaisha: Thank you, Andy. Yep, we, it's not too late. Ooh, look at this question from Mikey here. Look at that. Mikey wants to know, can we expect the Atmos to join the SOLAS family?

[00:50:19] Jason: Mikey, let's talk about that offline. I might have some good options for you. But currently we don't have any plans to implement that function.

[00:50:27] Jason: I don't think it would be a huge ask for [00:50:30] the actual implementation of it. But but yeah, chat, chat with me later and let's catch up on, on some possibilities to, to solve your challenge there.

[00:50:38] Kaisha: I love that. Shout out to our teammate Rachel, who wrote in feature requests. So yes, thank you for that question, Mikey.

[00:50:44] Kaisha: All right yeah we're winding out the hour here, so not too late to ask some live questions, but you only got a few minutes, folks. I'm gonna ask this question cuz we're kind of on this, we've been on this topic and I've been dying to say, this dude's handle, Mr. Loud ass wrote in, he has a TEROS 12 [00:51:00] and he wrote, I've been trying to dial in my dry backs.

[00:51:02] Kaisha: Is the TEROS 12 compatible with troll master software? What is it compatible with so that I can use it with the graphs to dial in dry backs and they're looking for any other products on the market? So let's talk about that. I think a few weeks

[00:51:14] Jason: ago we did give an overview of how to

[00:51:16] Kaisha: use the Solus, but let's talk about that compatibility aspect.

[00:51:20] Jason: Yeah. And so I work with quite a few integrations right now. I've got a lot of larger clients that are implementing our open api, which is the best way to get [00:51:30] information out of the AROYA system. It's just a restful api. If anyone's done implementations of of call functions, then it's really pretty easy.

[00:51:38] Jason: I actually had never done any until I stayed up too late one night and got it working just fine. So there's there's really not a big barrier to entry as far as utilizing our api, and that's gonna provide the last about almost 500 data points from any data type of any sensor that's in your facility.

[00:51:54] Jason: We, we

[00:51:55] Seth: should mention though, that API still does require your AROYA subscription. So [00:52:00] porting the data out is fine. Part of the reason we don't I mean it is an s d i 12 sensor. You can do a lot of different things with it, but going through the AROYA system does guarantee that your data logger, your transmitter, everything actually will work with the T 12.

[00:52:13] Seth: Really like to expand upon the fact that it was developed, in-house. It is used in other applications in different industries, but you can also blow 'em up. when you're trying to figure out how to use 'em on individual integrations, you can end up with a bad calibration. There's a lot of reasons to [00:52:30] really go with the AROYA platform to support your T 12 s.

[00:52:36] Kaisha: That's it. Yep. I'm gonna drop in the chat in just a minute. It lead to our demo if anybody would like to check that out. And in last few minutes, I think we have time for a couple more questions. Knox Tro Max wrote in what P F do you recommend in stretch time?

[00:52:54] Jason: I mean, obviously without a lot of factors.

[00:52:57] Jason: We're talking about the, some of the,[00:53:00] stretch being generative. Let's just start

[00:53:02] Seth: here. Do you have CO2 supplementation? Yeah, that's . And what kind of lights do you have? Because really, wait, we always want to be P F D plus two 50 as a general rule if you live in an area, especially like you're not somewhere super urban, you've got maybe 400 PPM of ambient CO2 in the air.

[00:53:19] Seth: Even with you in that room breathing real hard, it's still not getting super high. That's an absolute limitation. You cannot crank your P F D up. Without that CO2 [00:53:30] supplementation for prime production, we typically recommend over a thousand. That's where we see a lot of the big increases, and over a thousand to 1300 to even to 15 hundreds, where you get that better, deeper canopy penetration and bigger overall bud structure because we're supplying enough energy to the plant to actually build that structure.

[00:53:50] Jason: Again, I think last week we were talking about balancing inputs other than otherwise we're just throwing out supplies and money. And so that's where obviously when we talk about water [00:54:00] plus CO2 catalyzed by light, if we can start by optimizing how those three are are utilized to a hundred percent of their input capacity, then obviously we're not wasting light, we're not wasting co2.

[00:54:12] Jason: And the water's probably a little bit more complex in there cuz obviously when we talk about crops stir, we're modulating that a little bit. So, And

[00:54:20] Seth: I think a good way you can really envision it. I every once in a while I watched some of, classic stoner movies. I watched part of how High the other day and the Weedy was pulling out was just such [00:54:30] small, delicate nugs.

[00:54:31] Seth: And I was like, oh yeah, back then, we were talking about the 600 wat lights. 600 watt H ps was pretty standard for everyone's basement. And we didn't have the p most of 'em didn't have the P F D or the CO2 supplementation to really blow up some of those strains and see the kind of performance that we see today in 'em, even though a lot of 'em are some of the same genetics still around propagated.

[00:54:52] Seth: So I like to think about that. It's kind of funny to look back historically or look up some High Times articles from like 1998 or 2001 and just look at the [00:55:00] cannabinoid contents and the pictures of the buds, especially if it's like in someone's hand or there's another side reference cuz people have been growing great cannabis for a long time.

[00:55:09] Seth: but more people are doing a good job at growing good cannabis than ever before.

[00:55:15] Jason: Here I got a question for you, Seth. What was the P F D of that brick weed that I bought when I was

[00:55:20] Seth: 19? ? Well, it depends on how cloudy it was. ,

[00:55:25] Jason: that's summer. Seth, it's so funny you mentioned that I was watching that movie [00:55:30] Savages a couple weeks ago.

[00:55:32] Jason: The focus was on like this premium cannabis that was 30% THC .

[00:55:37] Seth: Right. It was like mythical back when that movie came out. It was mythical . Yeah. They were like, yes, this would make you incredibly rich. All this violence

[00:55:44] Kaisha: happened because of this . Amazing. All right, well I think we are at the end of the show.

[00:55:50] Kaisha: Mandy got anything else from you two before we go?

[00:55:53] Mandy: I think that's it. Over on YouTube. Thank you guys for your questions. Oh, another great.

[00:55:57] Kaisha: Such a good show, Seth and Jason rocking [00:56:00] it As always, anything else you wanna say

[00:56:01] Jason: before we wrap it up? Have a great day.

[00:56:03] Seth: I gotta give Jacob Nelson a shout out over at North Country Farms.

[00:56:06] Seth: This is a dope hat . It's really cool. Thanks bud. It is. It

[00:56:10] Kaisha: is dope and a lot of us like hats around here, fyi.

[00:56:14] Seth: So they produce some killer bud too. If you're in California, check it out. Oh,

[00:56:18] Jason: okay. I'll check that

[00:56:19] Kaisha: out. Excellent, . Awesome. Thank you Jason and Seth as always for another great conversation. And Mandy, I love doing this with you.

[00:56:27] Kaisha: Thank you for being my co-moderator. Thank you all for [00:56:30] joining us for this Week's Office Hours Live. We do this every Thursday, and the best way to get answers from the experts is to join us live. You wanna learn about more about AROYA? We dropped a link in the chat so you can book a demo with one of our experts and they'll be able to tell you all about how AROYA can be used to improve your cultivation production process.

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