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[00:00:00] Kaisha: Your source for free cannabis cultivation education. I'm Kaisha, one of your co moderators. What's up Mandy. Hey, Kaisha,

[00:00:08] Mandy: how's it going? We're here for episode 60. You guys know how you do it or going live over on YouTube. So if you're logging on over there, make sure you send me your questions and I'll get those over to our team. If you're active on social media, make sure you are following us on Instagram.

[00:00:22] Mandy: Tick tock, YouTube, LinkedIn, and social club, but let's get right into it back over to UK HSA.

[00:00:27] Kaisha: Fantastic. Thank you, Mandy. All right. If you're [00:00:30] live with us here and you have a question, feel free to type it in the chat at any time. And if your question gets picked, we'll have you either unmute yourself.

[00:00:36] Kaisha: Or I can ask for you. We got Jason in the studio today. Jason, how you doing?

[00:00:42] Jason: Doing wonderful Springs. It can in here.

[00:00:45] Kaisha: I never leave out. So some sunshine in Northern California finally, monsoon season might be over. But we have something very exciting. We want it to show folks today. Let's get into it. Our new VPD calculator is officially live.

[00:00:58] Jason: Right. Thanks for kicking us [00:01:00] off. I'm going to share my screen here and work. And take a look at the VPD calculator. So obviously we've seen quite a few of these over the internet and we get asked fairly commonly which one's best or what's a good link to it. Good luck, vpd.array.io. And that's where this chart lists. So we built this up and it looks fairly similar, a little bit refined to some of the charts you might get used to seeing some people use Excel sheets, forum.

[00:01:26] Jason: This is nice and interacting. So all of these different [00:01:30] areas represent. Good places to be. So there's this dark green is usually ideal. VPD. And. We've got some options over on the right side. First thing I'm going to do is turn it on to Fahrenheit because I'm not as used to using Celsius.

[00:01:45] Jason: And basically what we can do is we can either choose an area on the left side. So for me, if I wanted my temperature to be. 80 degrees I could click into here and see that my ideal relative humidity would be about 72 [00:02:00] degrees. And we can also change the slider on the right, and it's going to adjust it to the Y axes where the XX is the offset.

[00:02:08] Jason: Based on the settings to the right. So, As usual, I like to go for a target temperature and then set my humidity in the room, according to UPD. Charts. And we've talked a lot of times about ideal VPD for plants throughout their growing life cycle. And cannabis usually during flower we liked to be between about one and 1.4. So typically during the [00:02:30] start of flower will be around that 1.0 range for VPD. And we'll start to dry things out a little bit towards the end of the flower and be towards that 1.4.

[00:02:47] Jason: Eh, maybe we have some questions on how this works or why it's important.

[00:02:54] Kaisha: Yeah, let's talk about it in the broader, when it comes to crop steering, we do get a lot of questions about optimal VPD [00:03:00] range. So yeah. How does this calculator help? Some of the cultivators who typically ask those questions?

[00:03:05] Jason: Sure. So, let's start off at the beginning of the cycle. Maybe we're shooting for.

[00:03:10] Jason: Daytime temp of like 82 degrees. And so I'll go in here and select, let's say, or 10 81 and a half. That's pretty close to 82. And for me, I kinda like to think of what's an acceptable range because even in the best the facilities, we're going to see some amount of swing and drift based on the set points and how well our HVAC can maintain those [00:03:30] settings.

[00:03:30] Jason: So maybe in this case, it'd be like, after. During the daytime I want to be between about 80 and 82 degrees or 83 degrees, depending on if I'm HBS or LEDs we'll have a little bit different target ranges to start with, but to get those temperatures nice and high. Encouraging. Nice metabolic rate in those plants.

[00:03:48] Jason: A bit warmer. Temperatures are gonna help them photosynthesize as fast as possible. At the beginning. So, in this case it'd be like air temperature. 80.6. And if I want to maintain a 1.0 [00:04:00] VPD, we can see there. Across the top, maybe PD with these settings would be about. I know three. So my air temps between 80 and 82, I'd want my relative humidity to be.

[00:04:09] Jason: Between 70 and. I'll just shift this over and go to 82 82, 4. That's all right. And we can see I'm going to have to. Decrease right. Relative humidity. Just a little bit. 69%.

[00:04:27] Jason: And, keep in mind, these are rough [00:04:30] numbers. If I'm trying to hit 1.0, well, 1.03. Is really not very far off. So pretty easy just to. No. Make those adjustments and use those temperatures and then maybe. I wanted to do a little bit later in flower and we want to induce a nighttime differential.

[00:04:45] Jason: Encourages. So we have to sign in. Purple in color and the plan, and it would have a nighttime temp down to. Like seventies. Six degrees or 77 degrees. Let's go 77. Well, I'm still shooting for that one [00:05:00] point. Oh maybe I'm good to try it between 1.0 and 1.2 here. They were saying where we two or three.

[00:05:07] Jason: Then let's adjust that VP. Or That humidity and. Hit that

[00:05:13] Jason: Filtered humanity at 83 and air temperature at 77.

[00:05:21] Jason: And then if we go the other way, Or the high side. Air relative community at 78. Or tempered 77. And one thing to notice here is [00:05:30] I haven't been adjusting my leave temp, make sure that you get that right as well. Gearing a little bit. We'll discuss why leave temperature is so important for B VPD.

[00:05:39] Jason: We get questions all the time about, Hey. And how come we're not adjusting for leafy PD. And it really, what it comes down to is we aren't, we don't have a sensor right now that is providing those leaf temperature readings into a Roy. I leave temperatures, not as super easy reading to acquire as far as accurately addressing what the [00:06:00] entire plant population.

[00:06:01] Jason: The spatial differences lower in the canopy. In effect. So, as far as leaf temperature, a lot of times, if I don't know it, I'll just kind of keep it set pretty close to what my air temp is. And. Go from there. If you do have a infrared thermometer or a. Best. Yeah. Thermal imaging camera then.

[00:06:21] Jason: Get an idea of what your average leaf temp. Is and use that for a leaf vapor pressure deficit. Obviously. Some of the. [00:06:30] Things that impact how the plant is feeling as far as leaf VPD. Is it's going to be. No temperature of irrigation. Going to be. I'm out of airflow and it's going to be most importantly, the temperature of the room. And so the reason that we're usually talking about the.

[00:06:49] Jason: Temperature reading from the Atlas 14. I'm at station is because that's the information that you can capture. And it's also the VPD that's going to affect your leaf temperature. [00:07:00] VPD the absolute most. So it's like, Hey here's not well variable. Here's the controlling variable. Let's take a look at the controlling variables so that we can achieve what the optimal burden needs to be at.

[00:07:12] Jason: This is an

[00:07:13] Mandy: awesome tool. And it looks great. I can't wait to play around with this myself. We are getting some comments over on YouTube iron armor wrote in. Let's go VPD calculator looking awesome. How can I account for the leaf surface? Leaf surface temperatures. And

[00:07:26] Jason: now though,

[00:07:28] Jason: Well, I guess this is a [00:07:30] good time to segue into some of the work that I have done in the past during my time as a cultivator. And I'll just bring up. Easy question. Get yourself a thermal camera. It's going to be by far the most efficient way. To use your time. Valuably, if you go in infrared thermometer. Yeah, that's great. But what you're doing is taking a lot of very small spot readings and realistically you need to be taken.

[00:07:54] Jason: A pretty large number of those to get a good idea. Thermal cameras is going to get you a full picture of [00:08:00] what you're trying to deal with. And I'll just bring up some of that. Some of that imagery that I've done in the past to get an idea of what is lead surface temperature, what does it look like across the plants?

[00:08:10] Jason: And in this case, I was using a FLIR Thoroughly and. Camera's can be fairly expensive anywhere from $200 for a very low quality one to up to maybe 10 grand or Bob, if you want a high quality one. In most cases, it's going to be about the resolution of that camera. And this case, this is fairly low resolution, as you [00:08:30] can see there's cheaper ones are going to be like 60 by 80.

[00:08:33] Jason: Pixels. And so that's the number of Red dots that it's showing on the screen. Obviously the higher the resolution, and one of these cameras is going to present a more clear picture. But that being said, this is obviously something that we can't see with our eyes. And so this tool is providing me an idea of what is the range of these temperatures across.

[00:08:52] Jason: I cannot be across by plan. Et cetera. In this case, we're looking directly at the bud and bud is not [00:09:00] the flower. Flower is not transpiring nearly as much as the Leafs are. And we can see here at the top of the canopy, our Leafs are the warmest where the solar radiation from our lights, from the sunshine, in this case, this was a mixed light.

[00:09:13] Jason: Greenhouse is heating up. Those leaves more. Down in the canopy. Okay. Plants. Or leaves, they're still transpiring. Yet not getting as much solar radiation. So they're cooler.

[00:09:26] Jason: And here's this kind of a side shot. I really liked this one because we get to see the [00:09:30] outlines. It's almost looked like, it looks like it's photo edited, but this is a non edited representation from that. That thoroughly. That thermal imaging and this case, we can see. All right. My, my point measurement here is at 68.2.

[00:09:43] Jason: And my range of temperatures in this picture is 67 to 74.3. So in this case, the black spots down here are at about 67 degrees Fahrenheit. And. Some of these powers are up into 74.3. And this rolls [00:10:00] directly into. Why is leaf temperature a little bit hard to capture, because obviously in this picture I have a range of

[00:10:08] Jason: 7.3 degrees. Difference. And how many. Spot measurements with the infrared camera. Would I need to take two. In order to accommodate for that, that, that variation. And obviously. Good growers are going to do their best tag as many measurements and kind of get a sample curve and understand. All right, where is my mean.

[00:10:28] Jason: That data set that I'm pulling [00:10:30] and. And then in this case obviously we're getting hundreds of pixels, hundreds of thermal readings in one shot. So I definitely recommend them. I can guarantee that you're going to learn something about your garden and your facility probably within the first few days of having one and using that that imaging in that, in the facility. So.

[00:10:51] Jason: One of the cool things as well is a lot of these will take two pictures. So it'll take a typical camera picture. And at the exact same time that it takes a thermal picture. [00:11:00] And so he can see. On the left side, it says what the human eye is observing. This is obviously what we're used to. Taking a picture of, and.

[00:11:09] Jason: I don't know the different leaf temperatures in, in that picture. But on the right side, It gets a good idea of how much variance there is against my canopy.

[00:11:20] Jason: Through my pictures here, you can get an idea of how different angles, different shots going in, deep into the canopy. Taking them from a raised [00:11:30] position is going to affect. How much you're capturing in that picture and what your temperature is. Another challenging thing here is. Yeah, I'm looking at uniformity.

[00:11:40] Jason: I like to use two words. We have uniformity and consistency. And for me, uniformity is a snapshot in time right now. What's the difference across my canopy or my room as far as variables go, temperatures. How, well, my plants are drinking. All right. This one over here is drinking. Great. This one's not drinking. Good. I consistency needs [00:12:00] improvement.

[00:12:00] Jason: Or excuse me, my uniformity needs improvement. And then when I talk about consistency, that is over time. And so with something like that, most 14, we can look at our consistency over time. Sure. It's still a point measurement. So we only have one snapshot of uniformity in that room. Hopefully if you're in larger rooms, you have more.

[00:12:19] Jason: Climate stations in there, you can get idea of what your uniformity is. And uniformity usually is based on how much airflow do I have? What. Or the locations of my HVAC units. [00:12:30] Those types of things. And then consistency is how are they operating over time? Right. And so when we're looking at a VPD measurement from our climate station, we're looking at what is the consistency look like? All right.

[00:12:42] Jason: Right now, are we in check with where we want to be on our VPD in five minutes? Are we at that? Same check. Are we within our limits? Five minutes later I've been slider and our data intervals are like three minutes. So that's what I should have said. But in this case we're looking at only a snapshot of uniformity. So taking these [00:13:00] thermal images.

[00:13:00] Jason: Across the different timeframes in the growth cycle. It's also a great practice. What does my leave temps look like before I'm producing flour? And then what do my leave temps look like? At the very end of flower. And even on a smaller picture we can think about, all right, what did my leave temps?

[00:13:16] Jason: Look like in relationship to my irrigations what did my leave Sims look like? Before my plants share. Inspiring. Right after lights on before photosynthesis has wholly engaged. Those are just a lot of the variables to think [00:13:30] about when we start incorporating. Measurements like they've temperature.

[00:13:40] Kaisha: Jason, these pictures are amazing.

[00:13:44] Kaisha: They're just really cool. There's such a huge, there's a whole universe in that plan. It's really wonderful to see. Also what I'm hearing is like, you're really emphasizing the importance of crop registration. Like you, if you don't know some benchmarks and some values from what you're doing. The VPD [00:14:00] calculator can really like support you that well,

[00:14:04] Jason: Yeah. When you think about. Yeah, there's an old saying garbage in, garbage out. And RVPD calculators. Just the same. If some of the information that you're putting in there isn't. Relative to what's actually going on. Then you may have some challenges setting that and fraternity committees.

[00:14:21] Jason: Correctly for that Barton.

[00:14:25] Kaisha: I got another question for you. We've had this asked before, but do you have are there any particular [00:14:30] brand or models. That you recommend for taking leaf temperature.

[00:14:34] Jason: I only worked with Lear and they've. I mean, they've been a long standing industry leader with them.

[00:14:40] Jason: Fluke makes lots of thermal imaging units. I think there's a company called seek that lets you plug them into your phone and use them. There's definitely a couple of newer ones out there as well.

[00:14:52] Jason: And this case. You know this, I took this from up on top of a ladder and we can see how cool the floor. That concrete floor [00:15:00] is especially right here. We've got some water that's sitting on the floor. Water's evaporating and providing a back-breaking cooler to that concrete surface. And so it's, by far the coolest spot in here where you can see it's black and then down in on the canopy

[00:15:13] Jason: We get to see yet, again, those Cola's and deeper into the canopy. A little bit cooler temperatures. So something like this would be a great way cause I'm shooting about the median. Pillar of that. At area and we could see, Hey, I'm in about. 69.3 degrees. [00:15:30] Oops. With high as about 74, over on the right side, blows it at 67. So we can be like, all right, let's shoot for the media number as our leaf surface temperature that we want to use in our VPD chart.

[00:15:42] Jason: So in this case, it'd be like, let's use the right about 70 degrees. Maybe 71 degrees.

[00:15:50] Jason: And I only had to take one sample to make that judgment. So, rather than spending your time using infrared. Measurements Which. There are some [00:16:00] relatively inexpensive. Infrared. Radiometers. Handheld radiometers and there's a massive difference in quality on those. It's kind of like the hygrometer. So we see.

[00:16:13] Jason: A lot of those. Sub $50, hydrometers that we're so used to walking into a grow room and looking at the temperature and the relative humidity, and then the highs and lows. A lot of those are working off of a range of plus or minus seven degree temperature and plus, or minus.

[00:16:28] Jason: Up to 10 degrees. Relative [00:16:30] humidity is what I've seen on some of those specs. And that, that accuracy just. Doesn't help you make good choices for what the plant feels.

[00:16:40] Jason: And this one's kind of quiet. I think one of my other favorite parts of this I've always wanted to do some work with is when we're looking down here and we can. Basically count the colos and we can see the grid as well. So we know how many Cola's per per square inch that we have popping up through our canopy here.

[00:16:57] Jason: Now I'll roll through the rest of these fairly quick. [00:17:00] Till I see something I want to talk about.

[00:17:03] Jason: This is a side shot. This was in, in some well overgrown moms. Kind of fun just to see, Hey, would we get even deeper in the canopy, away from the aisle or close to the wall? We have even cooler, probably less air flow, less radiation hitting the plants down in there.

[00:17:20] Jason: On top of what you can do with leaf surface temperature on, on thermal imaging. It's just a good piece of equipment to have, because we can start looking at how our drippers [00:17:30] work, how well our fans are working. Do we have equipment that's starting to overheat? Just checking on. Maintenance,

[00:17:37] Jason: Facility operations type of stuff that we can't necessarily evaluate very easily just as a human Dame. So in this case, we can see. The top of those pots are a lot warmer just from some solar hitting them.

[00:17:51] Jason: This is one of the mom bots. Same kind of thing. Solar radiation hitting the top of the pot here. It's definitely warmer, probably cause it's a little bit drier towards the top of the pot. Here [00:18:00] on the outside, we can see, it might be cooler down here. Bottom, just because we have some some evaporation coming out of the side of this.

[00:18:09] Jason: I know as I mentioned things like, Drapers in this case, this is a really easy red flag. That It's jerker on. My right. Hopefully it's your guys' right. The one with the much smaller, cool spot. So this was actually right while we were irrigating and this case. We can see that the irrigation water is probably about [00:18:30] 63 degrees, 62, 63 degrees coming in.

[00:18:32] Jason: And here by this steak, we've got a pretty big. Spread out a pretty big gradient of that cooler water. We can see that, Hey, the cool water's coming in and it's reducing the temperature in that. On this one, we can see that there's not a lot of cool water coming in. And that was a clogged emitter, pretty pretty easy to find just by walking around and scanning it.

[00:18:56] Jason: And and fixing those up.

[00:18:59] Jason: Kind of fun [00:19:00] picture here as well. I did want to point out the temperature of this fan on the wall. Its fans are. Their liability if they get too hot and and start to fail. So, keep an eye across the room. Hey, we have some really old bands that are getting hotter. We changed models and some of them are running.

[00:19:16] Jason: Beyond the range is that. We want to we need to just clean those out to make sure they're getting good air flow through the motors, all those things to kind of think about beyond just the plant. Obviously. You know that the better. The facility can operate the better that we can [00:19:30] grow.

[00:19:31] Jason: And here's another this was an exhaust fan and a greenhouse, and right here in the, just below the fan, we can actually see the motor it's this bright yellow spot right here, about 90 degrees. And we can see the belt going up to, to drive that fan and we can see, Hey right around the fan.

[00:19:48] Jason: We're we've got pretty cool. Temperature's pushing out. So just. Just a good reason to invest in some equipment like this. So. It doesn't want to get as too distracted [00:20:00] from the VPD chart, but I know that we get lots of questions about leaf surface temperature. Wanting to IM. Get the real answer out there as far as,

[00:20:09] Jason: Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Should be taking that into contagious consideration. Getting a great measurement of your lease or Stitcher isn't necessarily as easy and fast as getting it from your air. And. You can also change your leaf surface temperature by utilizing the air VBD. So get an idea of, what your target leaves surface temperature.

[00:20:28] Jason: The service fee PDs [00:20:30] are, and, set your HVAC systems based on the VPD readings that you're getting out of RIAA or the air. To achieve those appropriate VPs around the plant.

[00:20:41] Kaisha: Wow. There it is. That is. An amazing overview. Thank you so much for that, Jason. And just reminder to anybody joined us a little late. Our VPD calculator is now alive. You can find it at VPD that a Roy got IO. I'll drop the link again into the chat, but I mean, wow. Talk about talking about a crash course. Okay. I think [00:21:00] we're gonna move on to some live questions and then Mandy, I, it looks like there's quite a bit of action happening over on YouTube.

[00:21:05] Kaisha: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:06] Mandy: So we sent you guys a poll, but I do want to get back to iron armor. He said, Nice. Definitely need to pick up a thermal imaging camera for the garden. Yeah, we do recommend it. And then over to that pole. So we asked you all. Where are you watching from today? So what part of the world we asked west coast, east coast or other.

[00:21:24] Mandy: 33% are watching from the west coast. 17% from the east coast and 50% [00:21:30] from other, so I think that's other continents, other countries. That's really cool. Thanks. You guys. And then moving on to some of our questions. So we've got a question over on YouTube. Do you notice that plants with soil sensors dry back, faster and yield

[00:21:43] Jason: higher?

[00:21:47] Jason: Put an interesting question. So exactly the soil sensors, not going to change how fast that plant. Drives back now. If you're optimizing the conditions for the readings that you're getting from that plant. It [00:22:00] might absolutely operate. To the best performance. So anything that we're monitoring.

[00:22:05] Jason: Mo monitoring. Excuse me. We can improve. And I F. Brandon to a number of clients that back in the day were using. Really expensive substrate sensors. And maybe they just have one substrate sensor per room. They'd come back and tell me, Hey, like, Hey. At that point, it grew great. And the rest of the room.

[00:22:23] Jason: Was not as good. It was not very good. Right. And so what was happening was the irrigation. And [00:22:30] fertilization strategies they were employing or specifically for the information that they were getting from that one sample. And. As I've done in the past with some growth behavior.

[00:22:40] Jason: Population statistics. I think we still have that video up on YouTube as well. We had to get enough information to make the best decision for all these plants. So simple answer is. Could be. Eh, is it? Cause we're growing specifically tailored to that plant. But physically the sensor's not doing anything to change the [00:23:00] plant's growth.

[00:23:02] Mandy: Awesome. Thank you for that. Tyler bathrobe in. What's the correlation between substrate ISI and runoff AC. I find runoff to be about twice as high as my substrate. When I push runoff and then they gave us some numbers here, 2.8. Feed 3.5 strip sub straight east. And 6.5. Runoff

[00:23:21] Jason: you.

[00:23:24] Jason: Yeah, that's a good question. It's going to be a very dynamic relationship. It's going to be based on. [00:23:30] What the media that you're using. The cat ion exchange capacity of that media is basically going to dictate some of that information. How much runoff are you pushing? Are your ECS above or below what the plant is eating?

[00:23:44] Jason: And so at. Too many scenarios to give a great answer on that. One scenario might be, let's say that our substrate ISI is it. At six and maybe our VDC is at 3.0. Well, typically [00:24:00] when we do get original runoff, we're going to see some of that. That built up ISI get pushed out of the substrate. So it might be a little bit higher.

[00:24:07] Jason: Now, if we continue to run off, typically that's going to drop both the substrate and the runoff ISI lowered towards our fi DC. And this is kind of one of the things that. When we look at crawling 15 years ago, And maybe we didn't have as good as nutrients. Pretty much everyone was pushing runoff and that's because we were trying to [00:24:30] reset the nutrient balance in the substrate and make sure that we had an ISI that was close to our feed DC. Obviously, now that we have.

[00:24:39] Jason: A little bit tech, better technology and some nutrients tailored towards cannabis growth. We can save some nutrients in our feed. We can decrease our runoff and let those plants use up that substrate or use up those nutrients in that substrate. I, I was usually like to get enough runoff that I can.

[00:24:57] Jason: Keep in check my pH, just in case we do [00:25:00] start to see an imbalance in nutrient composition, in our substrates. And that'll give you an idea on, Hey. Maybe it may be a deficiency or. An excess nutrient is occurring.

[00:25:13] Jason: Awesome.

[00:25:13] Mandy: Thank you for that. That is it for over on YouTube for now. So I will pass it back to you,

[00:25:17] Kaisha: Kaisha. Cool. Thank you, Mandy. Well on the topic of BC, we actually had Jacob posted a question on YouTube recently, I'm writing. What poor water ISI are you targeting for the first three to [00:25:30] four week? Jen Steiner.

[00:25:32] Kaisha: The next three week badge steer and the last couple of weeks, gen steer.

[00:25:39] Jason: So, we get these questions all the time. Or stop is a. Strain preferences. Certain genetics are going to eat way harder than others. They'll perform better at much higher ECS and vice versa. Some strains. Get really picky when we feed them too hard with nutrients. That being said.

[00:25:57] Jason: Another thing to kind of think about is what [00:26:00] what time in relationship are we looking at or water ISI or listen to our irrigations. And where are we at the end of the dry back where our ECE is typically gonna be the highest. Are we right after our irrigations when we typically see your ISI to be the lowest? So usually when we're pushing generative, we're going to have a pretty significant.

[00:26:19] Jason: Dynamic from those two timeframes. Those captures. So ISI. This is really why. Time series monitoring of ISI is so critical, so we can start to see the [00:26:30] behavior and we get to know the daily, low and high of those ECC levels. And so for janitor, maybe on a, on a. Wealth had plant that is being.

[00:26:42] Jason: Steer IX. Aggressively. Eh, you might see ECS in the seven to 12 or 15 range. From after aggregation to dry back, maybe even higher if you're pushing really hard. You have big planets?

[00:26:55] Jason: Maybe you don't seem quite that high. It just comes down to how aggressively [00:27:00] do we want to steer our plants healthy enough? Is there anything else balance to push them that hard? And what does that genetic prefer not. And those are all information that, you have to do run after run to get acquainted with what your strains.

[00:27:15] Jason: Look like. When you do these types of techniques. I think that information and getting it all into one system where you can start to look at. Strain run analytics. And cultivar. Profiles that's. How you start to make better [00:27:30] decisions is being able to save it enough times that. You know where to go with it.

[00:27:34] Jason: Obviously with the amount of turnover on strains in the industry right now, it is tricky. We've had. I think Ellie was talking just the other week about how she likes to run straight at least three times to get an idea of what's going to produce with before they decide to keep it or cut it.

[00:27:52] Jason: If we want to just keep going through the timeframes, I'm happy to say. For. Vegetative [00:28:00] bulking. Middle of the power cycle. Usually ECS between say five and eight. It's a good range in there. And then ripening. ECS are going to get pretty wild as we push big dry bags, have big plants and start to wrap it up. So I usually don't pay too much attention to ECE during ripening, as long as I'm not dropping it out too much and starving those plants. So.

[00:28:24] Jason: That means that we are going to keep a good amount of nutrients in there. Very minimum. Half strength, [00:28:30] nutrients three-quarter nutrients even preferred is reducing the Nitrogen. Amounts in your feed and and move into different forms of calcium intake.

[00:28:41] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you for that, Jason. Yeah, I love when people ask that question because it is an opportunity for us to remind them, like you gotta be tracking all your harvest, you gotta be logging all that data. And then that's what gives you. Really your target range is by cultivar. So in a way, it can help you with that.

[00:28:58] Kaisha: Awesome. All right, we're going to keep it [00:29:00] moving. This question came in. I think it was last week, but we didn't have a chance to get to it. And I thought, I think it's a good one to talk about considering the overview you just gave. Andrew Roden, should I change my sensor placement throughout the growth cycle? Two different plants of the same strain to get more accurate data.

[00:29:18] Jason: I usually try not to the only time that I'll move a sensor is if I'm getting some. Really weird readings from, it might be indicating that, there's an air pocket in that substrate. Yeah. I was just talking with the clients day. It's [00:29:30] some chunkier. Coco and my guess is, and Hey everyone, smile. It's hidden in a chunkier piece of coco and we're getting an insert and it might be creating a little bit of a cavity.

[00:29:39] Jason: And attempt to see what those cavities is. Either we get drier readings than we want, or what are readings then? We're used to getting, and that sensor reads. The volume of influence that's around it. The more consistent that substrate is. The easier it is to get uniform readings out of. Out of your right a system.

[00:29:57] Jason: Like rockwool, for example, [00:30:00] Most of the time when we're working with rockwool and it has a uniform wetter, it's going to be a little bit. A little bit better readings than we would get out of a natural substance, like a Coco.

[00:30:12] Jason: And yeah, I know rockwool is it is stone. It's blown stone, so it's natural as well. I just kind of meant in composition as well. And Coco. Like when it gets compressed, that does help. Help the consistency throughout the bot, but you know, those are always going to be variations that we have [00:30:30] to get used to. So, I'll go in and make sure that the sensor is at the right height.

[00:30:33] Jason: Make sure that it is flush with the media. If you're using hard round pots, make sure you cut out. A rectangle that's large enough for the sensor body to sit completely flat with the substrate, with the media that's inside of that pot. Any of the prongs that is exposed to air, aren't going to cause dry readings.

[00:30:53] Jason: Higher ECS typically. And so, that sensor installation absolutely critical and [00:31:00] evaluating whether the variation is actual or not. Whether the variation is something that plant's going to feel. Now if installation looks good, check out your drippers. And if everything else looks good, then maybe, just go ahead and try it. And the other side of the.

[00:31:13] Jason: The substrate or moved on to a different plan. But in general, I like to keep my sensors in the same plants throughout the cycle. I like to get a little bit of variation as far as spatially, how they're in the room and make sure I'm getting ones that are a little bit towards the corner towards the aisle, [00:31:30] maybe towards the center of the canopy as well.

[00:31:33] Jason: And And that's going to help get you a full picture of how much differently your plants are operating in there.

[00:31:41] Kaisha: And Catholic. Thank you, Jason. Mandy, I think we have a question on YouTube. Yeah.

[00:31:46] Kaisha: Yeah.

[00:31:47] Mandy: Thanks you guys for all your comments over on YouTube. We got a question come in about sensor placement. Where do you place sensors in bulk or flour in general, two or three inches from the bottom or higher? [00:32:00]

[00:32:00] Jason: In bulk or flower general. Sorry, can you give it one more time and turn to understand that they're asking. Yeah.

[00:32:07] Mandy: Where do you place sensors in bulk or flour in general, two or three inches from the bottom or higher?

[00:32:15] Jason: I'm not sure what in bulk or flour in general means, but we do provide sensor placement tools with

[00:32:21] Jason: Yeah, the risk systems. They're going to have the different markings at the different Heights in. In the substrate, depending on what size they are. [00:32:30] For one gallons for an inch, I think inch and a quarter. And I'd have to look up the rest of the exact Heights. So yeah, let us know what size substrate.

[00:32:39] Jason: What kind of substrate you're working off of? Thanks Mandy for showing that I was going to go run over to my tool bag there and grab one. But you got his handle here? Yeah, let us know what. Size substrates you're working with. And we can either read off off from our template or give you a rough idea of what what you should be doing.

[00:32:57] Mandy: Yeah, let us know what you guys are working with and we can give you some [00:33:00] more information. Yeah, we actually just got another question over on YouTube. Heather wants to know when drawing back heavy, would you expect the substrate ISI sensor to read six plus at the end of dry back? I find my stuff straight. You see never goes up five. Even when I get eight or nine ISTE

[00:33:17] Jason: runoff.

[00:33:21] Jason: So, yeah, most of the time easy does climb when our water content starts to go. So, and this is why I talk about. Not getting too overwhelmed [00:33:30] about high ECS. No. At the very end of dry bags. A lot of times arises way up. If it's not rising up, sometimes we just have a really hungry strain.

[00:33:38] Jason: And we may not be seeing nearly that increased that. That we do so. Sometimes that can be an indicator of a little bit lower. DVT. That means that maybe you want to up your PVC, get those plans. At least as much nutrients as there they're eating from the substrate.

[00:33:56] Mandy: And he did come back with some clarification. Can't tell if I'm under feeding [00:34:00] sensor is reading low or something else I'm in coco peat, perlite mix.

[00:34:06] Jason: Yeah. So I'm still kinda like, we were just talking about check sensor installation. Take a look at some of those runoff values seen any purpling in the stems. Any types of deficiencies. That plant might be expressing and then evaluate what. What's your PDCs should be.

[00:34:24] Jason: Awesome. Thanks for

[00:34:25] Mandy: that. And we did have our original question about where to place sensors in bulk or flour in [00:34:30] general. They came back they're in one gallon, Coco pot. So I'm looking on here. How far you should place it in. Slabs three, six inches blocks.

[00:34:37] Jason: I'm sorry, go ahead, Jason.

[00:34:38] Jason: It should be inch and a quarter from the bottom of the. Coco bag. 10 a quarter.

[00:34:44] Mandy: Yep. You're totally right. Thank you for that. But yeah, let us know if you need a sensor alignment tool and we can get that out to you too. Oh, we got more questions coming in. Greg wants to know. Do you need high EPC to grow good cannabis? My decades of experience. Tell me hi. [00:35:00] GC equals, but

[00:35:00] Jason: that's smokes like coal.

[00:35:05] Jason: Nice. Like, oh, I, I. I haven't been smoking much cold lately, so I like that analogy, but

[00:35:12] Jason: I think it's going to come down to. What is in your nutrients at the time? So this is the age old white Ash versus black Ash kind of thing. That we hear come up quite a bit. Really.

[00:35:25] Jason: And it's the idea that we need to probably reduce some of that carbohydrate load in the plant [00:35:30] later in flour. So during ripening historically a lot of people have done that by removing all the nutrients from From the feet at the end of the cycle. And obviously. The, one of my least favorite terms, splashing is what people will be doing to try and get the carbohydrates out there.

[00:35:47] Jason: Providing no nutrients to the plant to reduce how much carbohydrates are in there. Well, we're also reducing other chemical compositions that allow the plant to. Only mature. Terpene profiles to finish off its last bit of THC that [00:36:00] is building out. And this is the point when our plants are pretty hungry still. They're very large plants.

[00:36:05] Jason: Any of our starting. Plants can develop necrotic bud sites in there, which are. Much more susceptible to molds and mildews. And so the longer that we don't pay them, the bigger liability of loss due to extra growth in there. We see a lot of nutrient companies coming on as well with

[00:36:24] Jason: With some. Ripening supplements where you're dropping out a one of your two [00:36:30] parts of nutrients and supplementing it with a lower nitrogen replacement. That's really end goals to kind of reduce the. Carbohydrates that are available and push for the white smoke. So, cancer question, you. I think that a higher ISI can definitely initiate flower set earlier on and allow a little bit higher ECE a lot of times.

[00:36:52] Jason: And keep you getting rock-hard buds. Bigger a to B ratios and that, that being said, when we say higher, I mean the right [00:37:00] amount of BC. So, great question. Love it. Yeah, really great

[00:37:05] Mandy: question. I do want to go back to the earlier question about since replacement. They came back with when I said ball, I didn't know if there were different placements in different stages, or if you leave it in the same spot, all throughout flour, do you have any feedback for that?

[00:37:19] Jason: Same spot.

[00:37:21] Mandy: And quick and easy. Thank you for that. I think that's it for over on YouTube for now. So I'll pass it back to Kaisha.

[00:37:27] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. Yeah. Great [00:37:30] questions today. Y'all thank you so much for your activity. And we've got about 19 minutes left in the show. So if you have any questions for Jason today, now's the time to ask.

[00:37:38] Kaisha: We got this question in a while back. Just didn't have time to get to it. And you were speaking about Coco a little earlier, Jason, but they w they posted a question. Can you talk about the pros and cons of coco slabs? What are

[00:37:50] Jason: your thoughts on that? Yeah, Coco's thoughts. Unfortunately I haven't yet grown in coco slabs.

[00:37:56] Jason: So they're going to share the same advantages. From a single [00:38:00] substrate to a slab, just like rockwool, where if we do lose a dripper. On one of those three plants, at least we have five more drippers to make up for it. I chaired substrate a lot of times is a little bit easier to manage just because now we're accounting for the variability in three plants rather than just from plants plant to plant. So.

[00:38:19] Jason: I do like slabs just because when we're sharing that. Zone. It's easier for For an average to be made, if you will. It's, it's already incorporating the growth of three plants, so [00:38:30] maybe. Who are those plants are growing great. And one of them is not well that one, that's not that information is going to be slightly buffered by the ones that are, and so many times that those are in a shared substrate or.

[00:38:41] Jason: We're. Probably a little bit more likely to have some uniformity in the room. And our sensor data might be easier to interpret.

[00:38:49] Kaisha: That's good to know. Thank you. That's a great question. Yeah.

[00:38:54] Jason: A couple other things just in general about slabs is a lot of times they are a little bit easier to wet up simply [00:39:00] because we can use our irrigation systems. We let that bag to fill and then we'll cut the sled set. So now rather than having to make sure we're doing a dunk, we can typically do it with our drip systems.

[00:39:10] Jason: Leave it overnight. To soca and then start draining those bags. So that's an advantage. Another advantage, probably a little bit less evaporation than we see from open top substrates. So since the bag is pulling closed, the only Mount that's exposed is where we've. But start a block on top of typically a little bit [00:39:30] less evacuation going on.

[00:39:34] Kaisha: Awesome. Jason, thank you for that. Mandy, I think we've got some responses to this particular question from YouTube. Yeah.

[00:39:41] Mandy: Yeah. Tyler Rodin. Nutrient label has a recommended mix rate that gives me a 2.4 ISI. If I have high CO2. 1200 plus PPFD 84 degree temps. With the 2.4 ISI recommendation be low. And should I consider [00:40:00] running three or

[00:40:00] Jason: 3.5?

[00:40:03] Jason: Yeah. So another good thing to include there is light levels for it, 1200 PPM. Or CO2. Definitely. As long as the plants are. Of age we'll be re want to be running, 900 plus micromoles PPF D I would absolutely consider running a higher UC. If you're an aged best, a lot of times we'll be like to be around three or.

[00:40:24] Jason: LEDs, usually 3.5 plus is kind of the base that we go for [00:40:30] in flowers. So, I would absolutely consider it.

[00:40:34] Jason: Easiest way to know is start logging data and see. You know how much your easy is rising. Keep in mind, how much runoff are we pushing and use that to evaluate whether those plans to do better with a bit more concentration.

[00:40:49] Jason: Thank you

[00:40:49] Mandy: for that. Greg had a couple of comments over on YouTube. Coco slabs in Hawaii did not work as well as our black sender lava rock on most. And then they came back. [00:41:00] ECE does go through the roof with extreme dry docks. So interesting. I love hearing about how we're growing in different parts of the world.

[00:41:07] Mandy: I think that sits over on YouTube right now. So I'll pass it back to you, Kaisha.

[00:41:11] Kaisha: Growing cannabis. In lava rock.

[00:41:17] Kaisha: I don't have that. That's amazing. Okay. Knocks true mocks, left a comment on our YouTube and they want to know what you think about Schwabing technique. I had to look it up. [00:41:30] According to advanced nutrients, rising involves stripping all cannabis families beneath the top two or three nodes at two key times once at the start of the balloon phase. And again, at the beginning of the third week of bloom.

[00:41:42] Kaisha: So thoughts on that, Jason.

[00:41:44] Jason: So usually I like to be on the side of a little bit less aggressive pruning or D leaving on those plans. I mean, It is a fine line. When we think about. What's the last response to this. And one of our [00:42:00] goals when we're doing it. Or the other ways that I like to evaluate how much of the family of seven.

[00:42:05] Jason: Oh, and off. So you know, really the goals are to increase the uniformity as far as environment goes. So that's keeping good air flow throughout the canopy. Making sure that it's eliminating. So the micro environments that are around those beliefs. Want to buy how it grows. And then also,

[00:42:21] Jason: Allowing more light penetration into lower buds. You know what it does for the plant, obviously. These plants have a lot more leaves than [00:42:30] absolutely need to photosynthesize at the rates that they can, but we don't want to strip more plants than, or more leaves than. Are providing the needed photosynthesis. Cause then we're going to slow down with the rate of growth of that plant.

[00:42:42] Jason: And so, really the fine balance comes into. What is our plant spacing? What's the morphology of the plants, so that the shape with how much spacing or they are, how much room or the taking up. How much labor do we have? How much extra money do we have to put in to labor to, to do those managing things. [00:43:00]

[00:43:00] Jason: And And then just making sure you don't overdo it. When. When do you leaving at the right amounts? A lot of times it can actually encourage. Blood growth. Some plants have a predatory response where, you know, if a little bit of leaves are taken they're. I see.

[00:43:17] Jason: Push their energy into bud growth, but if too much leaves are taken. And this plant knows that it needs to rebuild infrastructure in order to captures enough light, that it needs to mature. And so in that [00:43:30] case, it's going to be in a regenerative. Type of response in which it's actually producing a vegetative response.

[00:43:38] Jason: Pushing energy towards. Leads. To try and capture some

[00:43:42] Kaisha: more light.

[00:43:45] Kaisha: Jason, you just gave me some really good info. I'm preparing for my next home grow. So I think I didn't D leave properly last year.

[00:43:54] Jason: Did you take pictures? No.

[00:43:57] Kaisha: I know I will this year. [00:44:00] I know I got to do better. I got to do better. All right. Yeah. So we're all looking at.

[00:44:08] Kaisha: Alright. The humanity. What's it

[00:44:10] Mandy: still smokable though, at least come on.

[00:44:12] Kaisha: Oh, absolutely. Yes. There's that.

[00:44:15] Mandy: Okay. Oh, that's good. Well, iron armor came back since we're on the topic of white ass. I mean, oh my gosh. Cut that. You guys been a long week. Alright. Start again. Iron armor. Great question that you just wrote in over on YouTube.

[00:44:29] Mandy: Since we're on the topic [00:44:30] of white Ash versus charcoal briskets. The drying process point, any

[00:44:34] Jason: role in that at all?

[00:44:38] Jason: It probably does a little bit. I think that, that. The chemical composition is going to be adjusted by how long that we tried. If we dry it away too fast, we're not allowing the chlorophylls and the planet to break down. So quick answer. Yes.

[00:44:58] Mandy: Awesome. Thank you guys for that. [00:45:00] Yeah, I'm going to pass it back to you, Kaisha.

[00:45:02] Kaisha: And tastic Mandy. Y'all would be dying if you knew all the activity was going on over here with the word Schwab saying we're having a great time with it. It's fun to learn any work. You'll have a capillary.

[00:45:12] Kaisha: Oh, right. We got this question in from sir on style. They would like to add, they were asking about the pre harvest period. What moisture content is appropriate before chop on harvest.

[00:45:27] Jason: Yeah, so pretty harvest and [00:45:30] also we'll be like, all right. Typically in between. Seven to seven days to two weeks before the end of harvest and water contents. Usually we're pushing a more generative irrigation schedule. So. We'll be hitting field capacity. Let's use Rockwool as an example, we'll be hitting field best you and say 65, 70% volumetric water content.

[00:45:51] Jason: We'll let us go for a pretty long 2223 hour. Dry back window. And a lot of times and at the bottom there. So if we were at [00:46:00] 70, what, 25% dry back would be pushed in us. Other. 45%. So those would be kind of the windows that I'm using. If you're in a little bit smaller media, say a one gallon, you might be up in that 30%. Or I back.

[00:46:15] Jason: Mount, so you'd be safe. 72. 40%. And then, Things like Coco, you're gonna have a little bit lower Guild capacity. Typically we'll see between 45 and 65% for most Coco's. Usually the finer [00:46:30] Coco as a little bit higher holding capacity than the The chunky stuff. So sometimes with that chunky stuff,

[00:46:36] Jason: Yeah, you got to get a few more irrigations in there. Push a couple of Just because you're at the low water content field. Capacity. And if you push a really heavy, dry bag, You're going to start to do, just to tap into irrigation stressors. When we get down below, say 20%. Oh, you metric water content.

[00:46:53] Jason: 20 20 25. It really just depends on the manufacturer and the composition of that coco.

[00:46:59] Kaisha: Be [00:47:00] mindful of the chunky staff. Y'all. All right, everybody, you Mandy. Awesome.

[00:47:04] Mandy: Thanks for that. We're getting a couple of comments over on YouTube. So just mood you've given us a lot of great questions today and they wrote back. My first time watching, and this information is incredible. This guy knows his stuff. Thank you guys for that. And then Greg McAllister came back. This is the person growing in Hawaii. So Northern light seeds.

[00:47:22] Mandy: So they quoted some years here has been using lava rock for decades. Red rock in Washington, state tan and Oregon. And here [00:47:30] in Hawaii growers have been using our black senders for many decades, but they came back with some prices for that. So black cinder in Hawaii. Is $1,100 for 32 cubic yards.

[00:47:42] Mandy: Any Any comments on that?

[00:47:45] Jason: I want to grow in Hawaii. Yeah.

[00:47:48] Kaisha: Yeah. I want to consume that in Hawaii. That sounds amazing. Yeah, let us know

[00:47:53] Mandy: how how the environment helps growing out there. But thank you guys for all of the comments that are on YouTube and that is it for a [00:48:00] second. So I'll pass it back

[00:48:01] Kaisha: to you, Kaisha.

[00:48:02] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you, Mandy. All right. Y'all we got about eight minutes left in the program. So if you have any questions, be sure to drop them in your respective chats. We got this right in from Carlos a while back. They saw a short video. That's talking about crop steering and deep water culture. They, it was only about a minute. It was on.

[00:48:18] Kaisha: Instagram. I'm new to growing cannabis in Thailand. And I have some experience in DWC before I'm not very good at soil. So I was wondering, is it possible to crop steer in DWC, [00:48:30] manipulating ISI, since in DWC, you can't really do dry backs, right?

[00:48:36] Jason: Oh I love this question because I don't know the right answer. And usually what I like to think about is just how the science. Breaks it down in relationship to the plan. So when we're looking at deep water culture, Obviously. We can manipulate the. The EDC. We don't have a lot of abilities to adjust how much water that plant has access to.[00:49:00]

[00:49:00] Jason: So like aeroponics, we could change our our misting frequency or duration to try and fluctuate. The plant's response to water a little bit, but in deep water culture, absolutely. ISI.

[00:49:11] Jason: In substrates, like. Coco in Rockville. Osmotic differentials increasing or decreasing the osmotic potential between the plan and its. Nutrient supplying source, whether that be. Straight, straight fertigation and water or with substrate. Does make the fact, so,[00:49:30] we'd give it a shot.

[00:49:34] Jason: Yeah.

[00:49:35] Kaisha: And like, yeah, Carlos, keep us posted. If you. Decided to experiment a little bit over there, let us know how it goes because yeah, I mean, anything that, crop steering, being able to make those decisions to help you and grow better. Be awesome. Okay. Mandy. You got some YouTube action.

[00:49:50] Mandy: Yeah. Thank you guys for your questions. So Greg came back. Organic lava, rock ads, bio

[00:49:55] Mandy: Oh, my gosh. There's so much information here. I'm sorry. I'm going to start with this question first, just so we can make sure we [00:50:00] get through it. Tyler wants to know. When you talk about a 50% dry back for Jen and 30% for vege it, field capacity is 60%. What a gen dry back, the 30% volume on. And volumetric water content and roughly 42% for vege. Sorry, I'll drop that in the chat

[00:50:17] Jason: to.

[00:50:20] Jason: I'm just, I just want to clarify, like, like when we talk about dry back mounts that's the amount of volumetric water content. So, it's not a percentage of, how much water [00:50:30] is in there at the time. It's an actual value of the total. Volume up the substrate. So like it says for rockwool, a lot of times to be 65 to 75% per Guild capacity, if we are pushing for let's say an aggressive generative drive back, that'd be like 30%. So it would be.

[00:50:48] Jason: 70% before our dry bag. We'd be at 40% on your metric water content. After the dry bag. So right before the irrigation. We'll do our P ones get up to gild [00:51:00] capacity and we'll be back there at that 70%. So, per. For generative, usually like 30% would be a fairly aggressive. So depending on the size of the media, this is gonna be different for smaller medias. It's going to obviously be a larger number.

[00:51:14] Jason: We're in smaller medias. It's going to be all we can do or excuse me. For a larger media is it's going to be all we can do to get up to say. 20% on a drive back and forth, like a three gallon coco pod. And for badge, a lot of times we'll be looking more like, and 15 for, in a very [00:51:30] large media and Indiana and the range of 15 to a little bit over 20.

[00:51:35] Jason: If we're an, a. Appropriate sized BDM.

[00:51:38] Jason: Awesome. Thanks for clarifying

[00:51:39] Mandy: that. Yeah, that's it for over on YouTube backup for Q Kaisha with our Instagram questions. Thank

[00:51:45] Kaisha: you, Mandy. Yeah, we got this one a while back from daybreak. We hadn't gotten to it. Before today, Debra was wondering. Any idea on the RAF calculation on wet versus dry weight for the entire plan. Like if I cut down the whole plant and way, what's [00:52:00] the approximate weight percentage of loss to end that dry flour, only weight.

[00:52:06] Jason: It's going to depend on the strain and how well it was growing. I've seen numbers as low as 12% and I've seen numbers as high as 22%. And so, 100%, it's going to depend on how much bud. I would say more, bud, then that's going to be a higher percentage. Because that's accounting for more weight than stocks stems.

[00:52:26] Jason: If you've got a plant that is. Stuart [00:52:30] and loaded with Cola's. Yet again, a higher percentage if we're a big stocky plant and maybe we got some more larf. If your stuff on there, then it's going to be a lower percentage.

[00:52:44] Jason: Oh, yeah. Exact numbers. It would be variables in here for me to give you a great idea. Yeah,

[00:52:52] Kaisha: no, for real, thank you for that, Jason. And yeah, gateway. Like if you've got a little bit more insight you can share with us, let's go a little bit deeper, maybe on another [00:53:00] episode. Okay. All right, folks, we got like two minutes left.

[00:53:04] Kaisha: I'm going to ask this question. Oh, okay. Real quick. And I think I already know the answer to this, but Humboldt high club wanted to know what tech we recommend. And on a soil set up. Any thoughts

[00:53:16] Jason: on that? What tech. Yeah. The best tech.

[00:53:23] Jason: Yeah. Yeah. You use the best tech

[00:53:26] Jason: For soil setups. It's going to depend on what [00:53:30] size of soil beds that you're working with. Sometimes it's a little bit easier to use spray emitters on the soil beds. If you could have a little bit of. Drainage down to the bottom. Maybe you want some gravel down towards the bottom to help that stuff not build up a boundary layer of water.

[00:53:47] Jason: A water table at the bottom. I was going to help you just make sure that it is getting good. Aeriation at your flow-through of waters. Bring in some oxygen with it. Other stuff. Usual H bags. Set ups or if it's a greenhouse usual [00:54:00] mix slide setups. Make sure you're logging in as much as you can from there.

[00:54:04] Jason: Make sure that you're just on a high qualities. Substrate. So your soil needs to be obviously. Healthy. If you're using it. I'm over time. Make sure you're sending out for soil samples and getting amendments that help build the health of your soil.

[00:54:19] Jason: Once lots of things you can do. I. I know we talked about that. The technology really, when we look at. Like rockwool, we're simplifying as many elements as we can. We know exactly [00:54:30] what's in that media most, every time. When we start to play with things like soil, Eric composition is changing over time.

[00:54:37] Jason: The chemical. Makeup of what's in that soil is consistently. Being modified by the microbes that are growing in it. And And so it's much, much more difficult to know exactly what are we working with without not getting soil samples and having a great understanding of what your amendments do and how long it takes.

[00:54:57] Jason: Or those natural. [00:55:00] Supplements to, to break down. Soil into the plant.

[00:55:06] Jason: Yeah. So I

[00:55:07] Kaisha: feel like the best tech is the tech that helps you get the job done best. How's that for a wrap-up. Amazing. Jason, thank you so much for holding it down. Really appreciate you. Great session. Excellent questions. Thanks to everybody who submitted them. Mandy, thank you for holding down YouTube and Chris, thank you for holding down production in the back. Thanks for everybody to who joined today or your office hours.

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