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[00:00:00] Kaisha: All right. How's it growing friends, welcome to Office Hours, your source for free cannabis cultivation education. My name is Kaisha and I will be one of your moderators today. Mandy, how you doing over there? Hey Kaisha. How's it

[00:00:14] Mandy: going, huh? We're here for episode 61. We have a super big show today. Randy from Calor, Maine is here on the show.

[00:00:22] Mandy: We're about to walk you through one of our newest feature drops, irrigation Control. We're also going live over on YouTube, so if you're logging on over there, make sure you keep [00:00:30] ahead keep on sending us your crop string questions, and I'll get those over to the team. If you're active on social media, be sure you're following us on all the platforms.

[00:00:37] Mandy: So we're on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, and Social Club. But we wanna get right into showing you guys this new feature. So I'm gonna pass it back to

[00:00:45] Kaisha: you, Kaisha. Thank you, Mandy. All right, if you're live with us here and you have a question, type at any time in the chat, and if your question gets picked, we'll have you either unmute yourself or we will ask for you.

[00:00:55] Kaisha: Jason, what's up? How you doing? Hi, I'm doing

[00:00:58] Jason: great.

[00:00:59] Kaisha: Excellent. Good to see [00:01:00] you, man. We have somebody special and we have Randy in the house. Hello everybody. About our special guest.

[00:01:04] Jason: Yeah, this is Randy went, he's the facility director and owner of Calor Farms in Maine. We're really excited to have him on the show today.

[00:01:12] Jason: We're gonna kind of jump right in, talk about the open sprinkler irrigation integration that we've released with AROYA that came live today for the public. Any users that are using AROYA can go ahead to the devices page and set up their open sprinkler controller, jump into our help docs and they'll walk you through getting [00:01:30] started pairing your device with the AROYA system.

[00:01:33] Jason: Randy's been using Open Sprinkler through AROYA for the last few months, been doing a great job testing it and giving us some feedback on how we can make it as successful as possible. So, without further ado, Randy, maybe you want to tell us a little bit about the process of using o Open Sprinkler through AROYA and how it's been helpful for you.

[00:01:55] Randy Wintle: Yeah. Cool. Thank you. I'm really excited to be here today, guys. Yeah, we've we've been using Open Sprinkler [00:02:00] now for quite a few months, probably three or four harvest under our belts now, running that as our actually controlling all the irrigation. I think. They asked me to do one room for 30 days, and I think I just jumped on and added all the rooms the first day after I saw it working a bit.

[00:02:15] Randy Wintle: So, yeah, it's been really fun. We've integrated it right in with our existing setup with almost no changes required. We did have to update some firmware, but literally just slid right into what we had. I was kind of surprised that you guys are including it for free. And to be honest I [00:02:30] thought I started asking when I inquired.

[00:02:31] Randy Wintle: I go, all right, how do I sign up? How much do I pay? But it was it's a feature ad, so it's really cool.

[00:02:36] Jason: Very cool. Yeah. And were you as an open sprinter before we reached out to you for some of that testing?

[00:02:41] Randy Wintle: Yeah, we had switched over to that. We started out with another irrigation controller that was limited a bit and how much it could run.

[00:02:47] Randy Wintle: And then we discovered open sprinkler. And it started using that to control our rooms before we had heard. And I think actually when we were when your team was on site for our case study I believe it was Christian, saw the open sprinkler on the wall and was like, Hey, look we're [00:03:00] about to be doing something with that.

[00:03:01] Randy Wintle: So it was really cool to, to get an insight into that and start working with it pretty early on.

[00:03:07] Jason: Awesome. So, for any of our watchers that aren't familiar open sprinklers, it's been around for I think, almost a decade now. It's a sprinkler controller that a guy developed in his aftertime just because he didn't have a great solution as far as any of the existing irrigation controllers on the market.

[00:03:24] Jason: And offers extreme flexibility as far as how many irrigations you wanna do how many times, [00:03:30] or excuse me, how long you wanna do those irrigations. And it's really become really prolific in the hydroponics industry. Whether that be cannabis and or other types of high frequency irrigation.

[00:03:41] Jason: So, one of our choices for. First doing open sprinkler as the initial integration was the fact that it is open. So it gave us a really easy opportunity to develop the product. Some of the corporations that we've tried to work with to get irrigation control out in the market, it's been a little bit resistance, maybe not [00:04:00] quite as easy to get the programming out to push irrigations to those.

[00:04:04] Jason: And the open sprinkler system was relatively simple as far as making sure that this was reliable, easy to use, and just something that you could do from home.

[00:04:17] Kaisha: And Jason, can you tell us a little bit about what this integration means for AROYA customers?

[00:04:22] Jason: Yeah, AB absolutely. So. What this is doing is it's bringing the capabilities of your open sprinkler and pushing 'em right into [00:04:30] AROYA.

[00:04:30] Jason: So most of our cultivators get fairly tired of opening different interfaces for all the different types of control aspects, monitoring aspects, compliant aspects. And one of, one of our goals at AROYA for as long as the projects has existed is to get this stuff into one interface. So it's much easier.

[00:04:49] Jason: We've got one login, we've got secure access, and you're not trying to flip flop and remember what your irrigation parameters look like in respect to what your water content parameters look like. You have it all up [00:05:00] on one screen. One of the big. Improvements as far as using AROYA for your open sprinkler as well, is you don't have to worry about doing a VPN or opening up ports so that you can access the open sprinkler remotely.

[00:05:12] Jason: Our gateways connecting to that open sprinkler on the local area network at your facility. And so, by keeping that loophole closed up on the open sprinkler, you don't have to expose your network to any unnecessary risks out there. You could be security through the AROYA login.

[00:05:29] Kaisha: [00:05:30] Fantastic. Well, Randy, you wanna talk us through like what some of the benefits you're seeing with this feature? Yeah, sure. I mean,

[00:05:37] Randy Wintle: The biggest thing was really taking, I'll just kind of start to my, I have a couple guys that work with me that really run the grow dj running the Grow and Jeff that are on the ground each day.

[00:05:46] Randy Wintle: And I am responsible for the irrigation and the environment and as well as manufacturing and running the business and a lot of stuff. So, a lot going on. Cause we're a pretty small team. So a big thing was exposing them [00:06:00] to kind of the inner workings, not just in my brain, but the open sprinkler. Right.

[00:06:03] Randy Wintle: Which has always been a bit of a daunting. User interface. Even when I could give them access to it wasn't easy to understand what was going on. And it's also easy to accidentally break everything or accidentally run things the wrong way. So that's been a big thing for me cuz I'm all about sharing all the knowledge with the team, right?

[00:06:19] Randy Wintle: I don't wanna be the one holding on to all this stuff. I want to take a vacation from time to time and things like that. And I want them to grow better as growers too. So they now can understand why we irrigate the [00:06:30] way we do and they see it and can see ways to make changes with it.

[00:06:34] Randy Wintle: That was really huge for me. And then continues to be, we continue to learn from it and soon, we'll start handing over some of the range to say, Hey, after you log those runoff numbers, make the irrigation change instead of me making the irrigation change that they essentially did all the work and the math for anyways.

[00:06:51] Randy Wintle: Right, right then and there. So, That's great. Like, like you meant the other big thing is just that having it embedded in the interface the information, having the information [00:07:00] available is important. It wasn't readily available before. So just even having it in your existing AROYA interface that everybody was already using it became a no-brainer.

[00:07:09] Randy Wintle: They now, they're always on that irrigation tab and they always know what's going on. So.

[00:07:13] Jason: Very cool. I think before the show, you were talking about a trip you'd made away from the garden. How'd everything go? Probably don't get away from the garden very much, but it is everything. Yeah.

[00:07:21] Randy Wintle: I took probably my first vacation, in like four, geez, four years maybe. I don't know. It was a long time. And. Every, I joked that everything was better [00:07:30] when I was gone, probably because I wasn't there tweaking and making changes to the HVAC and doing everything right that we always say we shouldn't be doing.

[00:07:36] Randy Wintle: But it went off without hitch. What's cool is the guys are, had already been trained before this to log that runoff data so that if there are any changes that I need to make or anything I need to be aware of, I was able to react to it. And because I could just edit the, I did edit irrigation while I was in Florida on the wifi there.

[00:07:52] Randy Wintle: Right. It's the same as being here at my house or at the grow. We can do it anywhere. So, we luckily, knock on everything, didn't have any [00:08:00] disasters, but also we, it's kind of running itself right now with all the systems in place and by design,

[00:08:06] Jason: Super cool and well,

[00:08:08] Mandy: you're really tech savvy.

[00:08:09] Mandy: You have a super small team.

[00:08:11] Randy Wintle: Yeah. Yeah, I think that, we have about 1200 square feet of flower canopy and we have one guy full-time in the garden dj, and then a half he gets half help from Jeff there, half-time help. And Jeff also is doing all the washing for our hash company, right? So we're literally washing all that same flower into hash.

[00:08:28] Randy Wintle: I do all the rozen [00:08:30] squishing. We have a kitchen team. So also running this grow of that, the 1200 square feet of canopy just in, that's a lot of work too. So we have to have these tools in place. And I mentioned it in the case study too, that I made it a mandatory to when we started the facility, which I know is unique.

[00:08:45] Randy Wintle: A lot of people do the do this as an upgrade. But I said we gotta have it because the tech makes it a big difference. Nice. Yeah,

[00:08:54] Mandy: it's awesome to see what you guys are doing out there. And their their kitchen, their hash kitchen, ugh. It's like the coolest kitchen I've [00:09:00] ever been able to experience, so it's great.

[00:09:03] Randy Wintle: Yeah. Sorry, we put, I love talking about cuz it's, our goal is to be able to, I want everybody to have a solventless experience, whether they smoke it and vape it or eat it in our edibles or we use premium rosin in the edibles and stuff like that because it makes it a better time. It makes everybody have a better experience.

[00:09:17] Randy Wintle: So, and that's what we're going for. We grow for the hash here, it's kind of cool. We do some flower, we dabble, we always say we're a hash company with a flower problem and we dabble in the flower. We have a little addiction to that, it's mandatory, but the hash is what's really what we're [00:09:30] doing it for.

[00:09:30] Randy Wintle: So

[00:09:31] Kaisha: you guys do pre-rolls

[00:09:32] Randy Wintle: too, right? Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:09:34] Kaisha: That's

[00:09:34] Mandy: cool. Yeah, I when I was up in Maine, I was able to pick up some of your dots and yeah, the experience. Right? Yes, it was good.

[00:09:44] Kaisha: Did I cut you off Taisha? No, not, I'm loving hearing this. I clearly need to travel to Maine. I think that's, the universe keeps telling me this now, week after week.

[00:09:52] Kaisha: But Randy, yes. Since you're such a tech person, you wanna show us maybe some screens from your irrigation experience that you're really, that gets you really

[00:09:59] Randy Wintle: jazzed [00:10:00] up. Sure. Yeah. No, this is the stuff that I love. I mean, like I said, this I get all excited about this, but it's because we use it every day and it, it makes our lives that much easier.

[00:10:09] Randy Wintle: So that's why I get all, I get like a little kid about it. But this is the normal v right of our, and then we can see our irrigation here built right in, which is huge. Right before this was literally a whole other website with a IP address and a weird password, and no integrated logins or anything like that.

[00:10:26] Randy Wintle: Now this is just, you can, we're using the harvest groups to [00:10:30] actually schedule all of this out. So we have, our harvest group's already defined with recipes to define our schedules, and it puts the irrigation right in there. I can show you that in a second, but this is kind of like our daily view, right?

[00:10:41] Randy Wintle: You're typically looking at the dashboard and then jumping into a room to see what's going on. And then what's nice now is being able to pair those watering events with what's going on in the room at the same time and see, this is a room that's about to finish stretch, but it's all [00:11:00] right in here.

[00:11:01] Randy Wintle: And rather than having to go to another interface, I can click right in and start editing stuff right here on the fly. And it saves it and publishes it to open Sprinkler and you get a timeline view. I could go on and on for days. I should, you know about how awesome this stuff is. But you can see here, like you define the drippers that you're using so you can actually see some accurate volumes and things like that and know what's really going on.

[00:11:22] Randy Wintle: So, Anyways. Yeah, this is, this has been huge for us, really just being able to see this even as just understanding, like I [00:11:30] said, actually as given that we're such a small team. One of the big things, and and some people laugh at us, but we mix tanks a lot, sometimes middle of the day, right? We have, we're a small team only can do so much.

[00:11:39] Randy Wintle: So we have to go and say, Hey, what time is the next feed? And just relaying that information is a huge thing. Or when can I test my drippers again? When can I collect runoff? That's all now right there. Rather than, Hey Randy, can you open the open Sprinkler app and tell me, which is a little bit more difficult.

[00:11:57] Randy Wintle: So,

[00:11:58] Jason: Nice. And I'm really [00:12:00] excited to see all are using the Harvest Group schedules. I think this is, for me, one of the biggest features is that in AROYA you gotta use crop steering. When we're thinking about the plant lifecycle, we're gonna be modifying our irrigations. And in open Sprinklr I've seen people with tons of schedules that they're turning on and off and trying to manage the calendar as far as when they're activating the next schedule and turning the last one off.

[00:12:21] Jason: And those harvest group schedules that you've got set up, when you get to the next irrigation phase, it's gonna load up that that next irrigation template that you have built out for your [00:12:30] harvest group cycle.

[00:12:33] Randy Wintle: It's really cool. That's been huge. I think that one of the things that was huge for me is I had a spreadsheet that had to try to track all of this each day, right?

[00:12:39] Randy Wintle: Like you were just saying, which program do I turn on? That's the other thing. It was, I tried to save these programs so I could use them later and hope and Sprinkler would be loaded with all of this mess of stuff, of what, which one do I turn on? And now, It, I can copy it from run to Run and we have a baseline of what works and we can start from there.

[00:12:58] Randy Wintle: Right? We do a pretty [00:13:00] basic setup where, your typical Athena shop, or, I dunno if I'm supposed to say that, but you know, you're, we just run our 3.0 ec in very simple phases. But now I can come in here and define for this harvest group, P one, P two schedules and see what that's gonna look like.

[00:13:17] Randy Wintle: And then I don't have, it's funny, we are switching to a new phase tomorrow, but we already dismissed the notification. But you get this nice notification that pops up and says, Hey, starting tomorrow, this group is gonna change into, make [00:13:30] these irrigation changes. Do you wanna review, verify, things like that.

[00:13:33] Randy Wintle: So I actually did that this morning with BJ and showed him, we're on the TV showing, hey, this is coming up, these are the changes being made. And you just have that acknowledgement right there which is pretty cool. So this is the exciting part too, for sure. It's just being able to preplan this out.

[00:13:48] Randy Wintle: What works, just like with everything in the platform with doing the targets and alerts in different phases. Yeah. And

[00:13:56] Jason: we were talking just earlier here before the show started that [00:14:00] we're seeing pretty good adoption already today with dozens of our clients integrating this. And you just wanna tell us a little bit about how the setup went.

[00:14:09] Jason: Was it pretty easy to do it? Did you have to get your IT teams involved? What did that look like? It was very

[00:14:16] Randy Wintle: easy. The the open sprinkler firmware update might have been the most difficult part. And that wasn't really that difficult. You just go to the web UI and you choose the file and upload it and it's done.

[00:14:27] Randy Wintle: And miraculously it doesn't actually destroy [00:14:30] everything. It actually kept working. It was great. So that was kind of the scariest part. But it was a no-brainer adding it in here. It just kind of took the IP and password and it did everything. It was really surprising actually how easy it was to set up.

[00:14:43] Randy Wintle: And then once you're in, once you have that set up, you never really go back to, this is the first time I've probably been to the controller setup screen in months. But you define the channels right in here, you know what you're actually using on your open sprinkler and hit save. And then from there you're just doing

[00:14:56] Jason: scheduling.

[00:14:58] Jason: Very cool. Yeah, and we've been [00:15:00] built in the ability to select channels as master channels. So right in there you're just allocating which channels in the Open Supreme Court are tied to the zones in your facility, and then you don't really have to remember anything about the channels and then on.

[00:15:13] Randy Wintle: Yep. That was the other thing is trying to relay what bench was, what if the naming was inappropriate in the open sprinkler. Now it's all unified by having it tied to the AROYA zones, which we're already using. So that was pretty cool too. It's all part of it is that we're already using the AROYA platform, when you're using that platform, it's, [00:15:30] it makes it a lot easier just to add these couple things in and it's more familiar.

[00:15:35] Randy Wintle: Very

[00:15:35] Jason: cool. And with all the other parameters in our system, we have it set up so you can get some notifications if you do run into issues I encourage anybody that is setting up with the open sprinkler sign up for those text notifications or sign up for the push notifications and make sure that yeah, you're keeping an eye on if anything's going wrong.

[00:15:54] Randy Wintle: I will say, I do wanna give a quick plug as a former IT guy the fact that you guys notify if the [00:16:00] open sprinkler goes offline was amazing because I've had incidents where somebody hit a power strip and literally almost killed the whole room because the open sprinkler got unplugged and there was no notification that it was offline until we realized the plants were drooping.

[00:16:13] Randy Wintle: Actually I shouldn't even say that. I think we noticed first in AROYA and then I went, what the heck's going on? And went and checked the room and saw drooping plants. But that is a big thing too, is just knowing that everything's online. On the screen here. I have one too, that knowing that this, like this is me actually manually running because we're [00:16:30] in late stretch.

[00:16:31] Randy Wintle: And trying not to have the plants dry out too much and get this little runoff as possible. But now I can see, for example, if somebody on site had done something, ran the irrigation ports without me knowing, I can see what happened right here. And that's really cool too. Keeps everybody accountable for this

[00:16:48] Kaisha: Yeah.

[00:16:48] Kaisha: About a crisis being averted, right? Yep. Yep. And then you were talking earlier about connecting the irrigation schedule to your recipes, Randy. So basically every [00:17:00] time you run each of those cold divas, the irrigation schedule is already set up. You don't have to do anything different unless the plant tells you to do something different, right?

[00:17:07] Randy Wintle: Correct. Yeah. Yeah, it's been really cool. We've started, it actually forced us in a good way to break out our harvest groups to, for each strain as well. Cause we're getting a bit more granular control. Whereas before we might lump stuff in a bit more. But now that we, the way that we operate our growers, we have, each room has three benches in three zones.

[00:17:25] Randy Wintle: And we try to keep a strain per bench, which is really hard to do even these days. But [00:17:30] when we do, when we really are good at it, it's a strain bench and that's that's what we're able to do here.

[00:17:36] Jason: Yeah, that's very cool to see. When we think of a harvest group, typically, historically we are thinking, all right, the group of plants have the same growth timeline and they're going through the same parameters.

[00:17:46] Jason: And so when you're in, you tailor your irrigations to strain specifics. It's really cool to see that. Now you can start making even deeper comparisons as far as, hey, this is how it ear was irrigated. This time it's separate how we're [00:18:00] irrigating next time. Maybe we need to compare the results and the growth parameters to those changes.

[00:18:05] Jason: This is a good example

[00:18:06] Randy Wintle: here where I have Three different, very different feeders in the room. Super boof is a heavy feeder. It likes a lot of water, especially at this stage. Cushman's hates it and grape cream cake is kind of in the middle. So I was able to set this up knowing from our last runs, knowing that I keep having to go to open sprinkler each time and change these settings, say super boof is a three minute, irrigation event versus two minutes on [00:18:30] everybody else.

[00:18:30] Randy Wintle: So that was a good example where it was pre-populated that way, whereas Cushman's might have been a one minute or a minute and a half instead of three minutes, and it was done from the beginning. And we knew that because of the strains.

[00:18:43] Kaisha: And how much historical data did you have to pull from to kind of get those ideal benchmarks for irrigations, for each of those?

[00:18:52] Randy Wintle: Well, to be honest, we didn't really have it until I put it in here and it became obvious. That was me kind of brain, getting that outta my brain of knowing, hey, [00:19:00] for Super Booth I tend to add more. But this was really putting it in writing, if you will, right? Of saying this is a fact, this event happens and this is what we do.

[00:19:10] Randy Wintle: And that's what's kind of cool to see too, cuz now we've learned a lot about how our room behaves based on our irrigation. That was another thing that we kind of all learned through this, which we kind of, we knew that much water you put in, you gotta take out humidity, things like that. But then to literally see as you feed and seeing humidity spikes and seeing the de here kick [00:19:30] on and things like that, then we start to learn a lot more about our facility and how everything operates.

[00:19:35] Randy Wintle: I always say I want to have proof of it, right? I have a lot of bro science in this industry that's like, Dan said to do this, and John said to do this. So I do this, and it's like, I wanna see it, science, I wanna see it written down and have proof that it works that way. So,

[00:19:52] Jason: I couldn't agree more with you.

[00:19:53] Jason: As I, I think, it's really important to bring the growers' touch in, but it's always important to kind of [00:20:00] analyze some of the traditional practices with the scientific evidence that either supports or, trying to understand, all right, I saw this as a grower.

[00:20:07] Jason: What would be one of the explanations that I saw that? And sometimes you need to dig down a few different paths of science to get down to understanding, all right, this is actually why I saw it. It's that strategy that I consider limiting variables. The, the less that we have to consider when we see an unexpected result is gonna make it easier to know what made that result happen.[00:20:30]

[00:20:31] Kaisha: Amazing. I love it. Yeah. Randy, anything else you wanna point out to us on one of your screens? I love seeing these graphs.

[00:20:37] Randy Wintle: I don't think so. I think the it depends on what people can read, but this was the great this one has feeds in progress. Cause we have P two s going. So you can see the next irrigation starts in 25 minutes and 17 seconds.

[00:20:49] Randy Wintle: It gets very precise. It knows what's gonna be happening. I could disable it from right here if I wanted to. It gives me the, my dry back duration of 13 hours, total irrigation time and 10 [00:21:00] hours. Right. Those are numbers that normally we're calculating manually. I mean, it's not hard math, but it's still something that we have to do and we don't have to do anymore.

[00:21:09] Randy Wintle: It's just seeing it there.

[00:21:11] Kaisha: Well, and that saves time when you add that up. Cumulative, right, Leah? Right. Save time. Fantastic. Thank you for showing us your screens. We love it when growers. Loop us into their operation over there. Jason, before we get to questions, is there anything else you wanna add about irrigation?

[00:21:27] Kaisha: Let people.

[00:21:29] Jason: Yeah. For the people [00:21:30] that are used to using the open sprinkler I get it set up with your AROYA system should be pretty easy. A couple things, kind of keep in mind is one, it does need to be on the same local area network as your or array gateway. Good practice you probably should have already done with your open sprinkler is try and set static IP on there so that it reliably connects on your network.

[00:21:49] Jason: Even if you do go through some network changes, reboot your router have, phones connecting on and off from your wifi. Yeah, make sure you get the right firmware on your system. We do have the documents that are [00:22:00] help documents that specify which versions of the firmware that you need.

[00:22:03] Jason: And if you haven't started using open sprinkler and you'll wanna get started, get, go out and get yourself an open sprinkler and read through their setup documentations. Get it on your wifi and start start playing with it a little bit after you're comfortable. Then I think it's time to get implemented in your garden.

[00:22:18] Jason: That's it.

[00:22:19] Kaisha: Yeah. Give it a try folks. Let us know what you think. We want your feedback. All right, we're gonna get to some live questions here. And Randy, if you have any insight, we love it when our guests are on. They have some insights to these [00:22:30] questions. We appreciate it. So, ran, go Mandy, Randy, and Mandy.

[00:22:33] Kaisha: Sorry, the one that happens over to you,

[00:22:37] Mandy: Mandy. Yeah, we do have a couple questions related to our new feature, irrigation control. So I'll just put those out there. Baby got dry backs wrote in and she wants to know, if I don't use AROYA yet, how can I get started with your new irrigation control feature?

[00:22:52] Jason: If you don't use AROYA yet, then you'll need to get AROYA. So, easiest way to take, get a demo and a quote, jump [00:23:00] onto AROYA dot io and in the top right, I think it's a requested quote or get a demo button. It'll get you signed up with our sales team and they'll walk you through the system, get you an idea of what it costs and the advantages that you can.

[00:23:14] Jason: By implementing AROYA at your facility. Perfect. Yeah. Sign

[00:23:18] Mandy: up for Dielle. So to our other question about irrigation control, dank, Mike wants to know, we have multiple facilities. How does irrigation control feature, how does your irrigation control feature work with [00:23:30] larger operators? How does

[00:23:31] Jason: that help them?

[00:23:32] Jason: Yeah, so just like use the dropdown to access the different facilities across the organization, those controllers will be available on that facilities page. So let's say you've got three open sprinklers in Nevada and maybe five in LA and another 10 down in Alan. Those can all be available just through the dropdown up top.

[00:23:52] Jason: You'll go into the facility and your facility will have the open sprinklers you've configured for it.[00:24:00]

[00:24:00] Jason: Awesome. And it

[00:24:01] Mandy: sounds like it gives 'em more visibility into their grows and all of the stuff that we talked about before. So yeah, guys, go check it out. We have all the resources over on our Instagram right now,

[00:24:10] Jason: so. Awesome. Good example of how that's also helpful is, let's say we, we do have that that big stack open sprinklers that I talked about across the country that we're trying to access.

[00:24:21] Jason: Well, with AROYA, we've got all of our data monitoring and, let's say 17 or 18 or 35, there's no limit to the number of open sprinklers that [00:24:30] you can get connected with AROYA. And so let's say I had 17 open sprinklers and three facilities. Well, in other. Data monitoring systems and through open sprinkler directly, that would be like 17 passwords and logins that you'd have to do or 20 logins that you'd have to do in order to control that stuff.

[00:24:48] Jason: With AROYA, you can access it all. One login, one interface page, anywhere from anywhere that you have internet access from. Yeah. Well

[00:24:59] Mandy: that [00:25:00] in itself, wow, that would stop a mental breakdown for me.

[00:25:03] Randy Wintle: Awesome. Just to touch on that too, is the audit logging, right, of having the journal of when changes are made so that it's, especially, like I said, we're a small team, but with larger teams it's even more important because you're gonna have more people accessing the system and potentially want to, have more people doing things, making changes, and you can actually have, a record of what's been changed and things like that there, which is.

[00:25:24] Jason: Yeah, I, this actually kinda reminds me of a question we get from a lot of people as well is, what happens with my irrigations if my [00:25:30] internet goes down? And so the way that AROYA is integrating with the open sprinkler is it's actually pushing those programs to the open sprinkler to the open sprinkler memory.

[00:25:40] Jason: So just like those programs are stored on the open sprinkler right now, it doesn't need internet. It's gonna, it's gonna continue running the irrigations that were programmed before it has lost internet. So that's us all saved locally on the open sprinkler ram. Anytime that there's a change to the irrigation schedule where it pushes that change and it gets saved on the [00:26:00] open sprinkler.

[00:26:00] Jason: So here, internet goes down, no worries. Things are gonna still irrigate how they did before the internet.

[00:26:08] Mandy: We love having that peace of mind. Wow. Also that backup. That's amazing you guys. Yeah, let me know if there's anything else we want to add to that, but we do have some questions coming in over on YouTube, so I'm gonna go ahead and launch into those.

[00:26:19] Mandy: So can you explain the difference between Soil EC and Runoff ec?

[00:26:25] Jason: Sure. So the immediate difference, obviously soil you see is typically be taken from [00:26:30] something like a Terrace 12 or some of the other competitor sensors on the market that's in situ. So that's exactly what the roots are feeling at that point in time.

[00:26:38] Jason: Given that the roots are taking up the whole media or, well, well-established into that planter runoff EC is gonna be typically a liquid measurement that we're looking at by putting an EC probe into a runoff.

[00:26:54] Mandy: Nice think and we love a good breakdown. Our second question came in.[00:27:00] So this is a crop sharing question. My soil EC reads 2.0, but runoff reads 8.0. We're running two gallons, hydroponic promix, hot measuring soil ec with Hannah soil meter and measuring runoff with a blue lab EC pen.

[00:27:17] Mandy: Any advice?

[00:27:19] Jason: Yeah that's a little bit strange. Typically, in most applications, I'll see that substrate, the N two EC to be a little bit higher. That being said, I would definitely recommend,[00:27:30] checking both of those sensors to make sure that they're calibrated well and that they're reading the actual values that you would anticipate.

[00:27:38] Jason: That's where I would start. But usually we're gonna see those to be quite a bit closer together. Sometimes that substrate DC is quite a bit higher if, we're not pushing very much runoff and we're letting our generative stacking irrigation strategies take place to reduce the osmotic differential between the plant and the substrate.

[00:27:57] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for your questions over there on [00:28:00] YouTube and let us know if you have any more. But until then, I'm gonna pass it back to Kaisha for our Instagram questions we got in this week.

[00:28:06] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. Just a reminder who, for everybody who's on with us, be sure to drop your questions in the chat.

[00:28:11] Kaisha: We got Jason in the house and we got Randy in the house, so a lot of expertise is represented. We've gotten a few questions on ec, so that seems to be a theme. Dave Bray wrote in well having low substrate ec hurt yield substantially. I've been struggling to stack EC over four or five in general. In one gallon coco [00:28:30] quick fills.

[00:28:31] Kaisha: I have some strains. I know we'll hit over two pounds per light with l e d and having trouble hitting that with h p s also, is it odd that I see EC stay pretty level when I have large 20 hour dry backs? When gen searing early flour, is that due to low substrate ec around 2.5 in this example? There's a lot of data in there, but what do you guys think?

[00:28:55] Jason: Yeah, Randy let's hear what you think, man. [00:29:00]

[00:29:00] Kaisha: And if I need to repeat anything, Randy, I can, let me know. It's So we've got,

[00:29:06] Randy Wintle: yeah, can you explain I kind of, yeah, if you can repeat. Yeah.

[00:29:08] Kaisha: Let me start with the first question. So, day Brey is struggling to stack EC over four to five. In general, he's dealing with one gallon coco quick fills.

[00:29:18] Kaisha: He has some strains. He knows we'll hit over two pounds per light with l e d, but he's having trouble hitting that with h p s. Let's start

[00:29:25] Randy Wintle: there. Well, the main difference, there's gonna be environment, right? [00:29:30] With the hps lights kind of putting, changing the environment there. That's kind of one of the key things that we learned through this, is having the correlation between your leaf p d and what's going on in the room and transpiration and how they'll feed.

[00:29:43] Randy Wintle: And that directly has an effect on your dry backs, right? If the plants. And Jason, you'll to kind of get the more scientific version of this, but if the plants can't, sweat off or do whatever they're doing, then they're not gonna feed. And then they're gonna have a poor root zone and they're not gonna like what they're getting.

[00:29:58] Randy Wintle: They're not gonna stack [00:30:00] ec, et cetera. We're dealing with that now in the room right now, the one in the rooms I was sharing is having our PHS soup on our runoff is super low and we're kind of having some issues stacking and we're in one gallon pots. And it's, I, I think a lot of that ties in with that transpiration.

[00:30:14] Randy Wintle: I don't know if that's the right way to refer to it, but Yeah,

[00:30:17] Jason: I'm glad you pointed that out. Cause I was trying to think about the difference between l e D and h Ps as far as, in relationship to ec, usually we run LEDs a little bit higher than the hps, and so I think you nailed it.

[00:30:28] Jason: That's my guess is the [00:30:30] environment hasn't been optimized in those HPS rooms yet. So, that being said, My guess is if you do have the option to run LEDs or hps you're definitely gonna benefit from increasing your ECS in those l e d rooms as well. So get the environment tailored in the HPS rooms.

[00:30:46] Jason: And a lot of times if we don't see that ECS starting to stack up when we're running long long or dry back windows, big decreases in water content overnight. Usually that's either due to a little too much runoff, [00:31:00] which is pushing our ec too low every time that we're irrigating that are just an overall low ec.

[00:31:06] Jason: Whereas our plants are eating up as much nutrients as we're putting in there. So there's not much concentration buildup from any leftover nutrients. There is not enough leftover nutrients to do.

[00:31:18] Kaisha: Great insights. Okay. And then, so Dave Ray had the second question. Is it odd that I see EC stay pretty level when I have large 20 hour dry backs when Jen's steering [00:31:30] early flower?

[00:31:31] Kaisha: Is that due to low substrate ec around 2.5 in this example?

[00:31:39] Jason: Looks like Randy and I are unanimous. They're nodding

[00:31:42] Randy Wintle: their heads. I, it's funny, I, it's not funny. Actually, I shouldn't say it's not funny cuz I'm dealing with the same thing in our flower room one where, we're seeing our, we have one that just the EC will not rise in that thing.

[00:31:53] Randy Wintle: Right? And we've been, we're at day 18 of 21 of our typical stretch cycle and, we're just [00:32:00] not hitting numbers on that bench. Other benches are creeping up, doing the, their morning rise with the long drive backs. So, and I think that what I've noticed about that plant is they the same thing with our runoff.

[00:32:15] Randy Wintle: I guess the first thing I would check is make sure you're getting runoff a collection out of those plants and checking what the pH is and the EC is. Because what we're seeing is our pH is super low under five, which is not good at all. So we're trying to flush out that root zone and kind of get that those plants steered [00:32:30] back on track.

[00:32:31] Randy Wintle: Which is a tough thing to do at this stage, but it's, you gotta kind of get the plants healthy and do what's best for 'em. So one of the things that we're doing is we're gonna increase the EC a little bit from our feet probably, and add a little bit more water to try to flush out what's ever there and give the plants more of what they need and hope that they pick that up without losing too much EC in the soil by really flushing 'em down to our feed ec.

[00:32:55] Randy Wintle: So that is a struggle with those first few weeks. I don't, I still don't know the best way to do it across all [00:33:00] strains. Some strains are easier than others. We have some of our easy strains that just take any environment. But you know, like we were talking about before, that transpiration and the V P D is really important and will affect your root zone more than you might think.

[00:33:13] Jason: Yeah. And if we wanna break into that just a little bit more, when we're thinking about transpiration and how the environment is affecting the plants, we're talking about STEM model conductance, and, most of the time so. Other than CO2 changes, if, if our CO2 is constant in the room, we always want our [00:33:30] stone mates to be as open as they possibly can be.

[00:33:32] Jason: And when we talk about leaf temperature and vapor pressure deficits, VT V P D that's really what we're shooting for as we're trying to optimize that STEM model conductance. And when we're, our stone mates are fully open, we're pulling as much water as possible and allowing that plant to get sufficient nutrients photosynthesize to the complete limits of how much light they're getting.

[00:33:52] Jason: And so, the reason that we're always targeting for a specific vpd is because if our VPDs are too low the room's humid [00:34:00] and those plants aren't gonna transpire as much. Conversely, if our VPDs too high, the environment is dry and the plants are actually gonna hang on to some water so that they don't begin to wilt.

[00:34:10] Jason: And so it's a sweet point. We're looking at a parabolic curve as far as umat conductants versus VP D.

[00:34:21] Randy Wintle: One thing, that kind of question that I had along this, and I think it applies to this in the first those stretch weeks, right? When we're trying to do longer drive backs, they're just generative. When we're trying to be generative, [00:34:30] is it what's more important, the drive back duration or the drive back percentage, or are they completely independent of each other or,

[00:34:37] Jason: what is that?

[00:34:38] Jason: So, yeah, they're gonna be related. I'm always shooting for a dry back percentage, and obviously it's gonna depend on the size of the media how big the strain is and where it's going. But, typically I'm shooting for anywhere 15 to 25% dry back if I can. Especially by a week two and a half, three of our generative stacking, that first week can always be a [00:35:00] trick, especially if we're just rooted into the new flower media.

[00:35:03] Jason: A lot of times you're not gonna see that big of a dry back. And so people, a lot of clients will get worried and be like, Hey I'm not getting those dry backs yet. And it's, it's gonna take a little bit of time. Those, that first week of flowers, usually one of the trickiest and you gotta stay on your toes, be dynamic about your irrigations to make sure that we're not getting the roots to stagnate, but we're also providing enough more irrigation every day to keep up the growing demands of that plant.

[00:35:27] Jason: To dig into that a little bit more, if we're thinking [00:35:30] about. Dry back percentage as our why value, how much water content did we lose? Well, if we run a little bit longer dry back window, we're always gonna see a little bit longer or a little bit greater dry back percentage.

[00:35:43] Jason: Water loss happens due to transpiration mostly, and then some amounts of evaporation, right? And so anytime that we go an hour more, if we're losing, 1% water content per hour, we go one more hour, we're gonna lose one more percent of water [00:36:00] content. And, it's kind of a great tool set for growers to optimize what their what their constraints are.

[00:36:06] Jason: If they are in a smaller substrate, like a one gallon, sometimes they'll need to run two or three hours of their P one irrigation window just to try and help reduce how long we're trying back for. Especially we see this in ripening a lot of times. And then if they're in like a, larger, maybe we're in a two gallon Or larger than that, A lot of times we'll just try and shoot for that 23 hour drive back window and optimize, maximize how much water content [00:36:30] fluctuation we see.

[00:36:32] Randy Wintle: That's cool. Yeah, cuz that's what we're seeing right here with the total irrigation time for our P one s right now is three hours, 21 minutes, drive back 20 hours, 39. And that's because we're in a one gallon pop, some big plants. And they're pushing them to the limit under LEDs.

[00:36:48] Jason: Yeah. And one of the challenges that seems like we encounter over and over is people in Hugos and they're like, well, I just can't do generative steering and keep my irrigations up.

[00:36:57] Jason: Or they will be doing generative steerings and we'll see those [00:37:00] 15% water contents before they get to irrigate next time. And, with rockwool, you just can't do that because it's not as forgiving. And in coco you can get away with it a little bit easier because it's ability to resat. But having, an appropriate size media and understanding the limitations of that in respect to your plant size is probably step one.

[00:37:19] Jason: Well might be step one and a half after you evaluate your environment. Environmental parameters to optimize optimizes. I just told

[00:37:28] Randy Wintle: somebody that today they told me that [00:37:30] all rock wool weed that they've ever had was, bad. And I said, that's because they dried it back too hard and didn't know how to grow it properly.

[00:37:36] Randy Wintle: It's not, we're talking about rockwool versus coco. They're both, Very similar mediums as far as taste is gonna go and things like that. So what often happens is what you just described right, is burning those plants out. And that's not necessarily a knock on the medium.

[00:37:52] Jason: Yeah. And we also talk about this as well, rockwool versus coco, like rockwool's gonna be a lot less forgiving.

[00:37:58] Jason: And a lot of [00:38:00] people, it is just much better bet to be running with coco. You can get a higher quality product without being quite as refined as you would with rockwool. Your liability to, to failure having bad product is as much less it's much smaller when we're using Coco versus rockwool.

[00:38:16] Jason: And that's, kind of probably the biggest step is we see a lot of people that just aren't ready to push the limits with rockwool, or they push the limits too far with rockwool. Whereas with, with that coco, it's a little bit easier. I always like to, think about it like, [00:38:30] Rock will be in the Lamborghini where it's, it can get you somewhere really fast.

[00:38:33] Jason: If you take care of it, drive it right. And coco's gonna be more like a, an SUV where you're gonna get there for damn sure no matter what you go through. Maybe not quite as fast, but it's not gonna be nearly as as intensive as far as making sure that the processes are perfect.

[00:38:51] Kaisha: The old age, old debate, Coco versus rockwool. We love talking about it. All right folks. Mandy, I'll send it over to you. What's going on YouTube? Yes.

[00:38:59] Mandy: [00:39:00] Thanks to everyone over on YouTube. We did post a poll. We wanted to know how are you guys managing your irrigation events? So our answers were spreadsheets, open sprinkler, whiteboards, and something else.

[00:39:11] Mandy: So no one's really using spreadsheets. Open sprinkler was 29%, whiteboards was 14%, and something else was 57%. So that's interesting. Let us know what else you guys are using for your drip irrigation out there. We also got some questions. Caesar Rodin, do I feed [00:39:30] nutrients daily in coco prior to

[00:39:31] Jason: flush?

[00:39:36] Jason: Ripening, during ripening or even prior to ripening. I always like to have some amount of nutrients in my ion. There's a lot of older techniques which, suggested we should go to ro for the last few days. I personally don't like to go quite that far.

[00:39:52] Jason: If in ripening I do feel like I need to reduce my nutrients, I'll go as low as half or three quarter at the very [00:40:00] lowest of my nutrients. Really. What it comes down to is what is the plant building for sugars, carbohydrates at that point in time? And and we're seeing a lot of the nutrient brands right now are coming onto the idea of reducing available nitrogen in the substrate during that that ripening stage.

[00:40:17] Jason: And it's also comes down to that black versus white ash. And I think that's really what people are going for is to try and understand what are the causes of a harsher smoking plant towards the end. And that's the real goal [00:40:30] of where people were coming from when they were flushing.

[00:40:33] Jason: And something like coco, yeah, you can get away with a little bit lower nutrients just because it's got a high cation exchange capacity. Well medium. Medium cation exchange capacity, something like organic soil would have a high cation exchange capacity. That's just talking about how well does the substrate hold on to the ions and solution the nutrients that are in the substrate.

[00:40:54] Jason: And when we look at something like rockwool, if we give it zero or, [00:41:00] zero, that's Siemens per meter on the ec that rockwool is gonna plummet in the amount of available nutrients. Coco's gonna take a little bit longer to get there because of those cation exchange capacity properties that I'm chatting about here.

[00:41:12] Jason: And for me I don't like Toro. What about

[00:41:16] Randy Wintle: you, Randy? No, we we don't do that anymore. I know it's been controversial, but I know that a good grower friend of mine originally back a while ago when I was just washing hash for other people, put me onto that kind of fact. Right. Or when I got to see it for [00:41:30] real, again, one of those science thing, bro, science things are, they're as, like you said, is well-intentioned and some people achieved the actual desired results by flushing with just ro but there's a better, more scientific way to achieve those senescence the senescence and results you're looking for.

[00:41:45] Randy Wintle: So, and it's pretty cool to, to see that, I, we've been able to, we did start out with our traditional opens facility. We did a two week RO flush and got to see what it was like to have a bunch of bud rot in a lot larger benches than we were used to having at home, [00:42:00] right. So, learned a lot of these things.

[00:42:02] Randy Wintle: It was cool to see the big yields and all that type of stuff, but there's a give and a take with that, and you gotta find the right balance on how to. Achieve the end goal. So yeah, and there's more than one way to do it. But there's some better ways to do it.

[00:42:15] Jason: Just to kind of, explain maybe why you were seeing some of the blood rot when implementing that is there's kind of two main factors that I think about when pushing with that low of nutrient contents or no, no nutrient contents.

[00:42:27] Jason: And the first is we've got large plants at [00:42:30] that point in time, they are still metabolizing very quickly and we don't wanna starve them. Anytime that we're starving them. It's gonna lead to necrotic a little bit of necrosis, necrotic sites inside of the bud, and that's gonna be the ideal place for molds, mildews, and rods to, to build up.

[00:42:45] Jason: The other reason is, if we're building a, thinking about the osmotic differential between the plant and the substrate, anytime that we're screwing with the osmotic differential, we kind of want it to be gradual. And so if we go to n ro feed one day, or a flush [00:43:00] or reset, or any of that type of.

[00:43:01] Jason: Parameters, we're gonna see a hypotonic relationship. So basically we're dropping to a very low amount of nutrients in there and it's gonna have a huge osmotic differential, a huge osmotic pressure on the ruts cuz we've got salt inside of those rht cells. And then if we have none in the substrate water's gonna try really hard to push into those cells and they're going to expand quite a bit on, if, if you push it too hard, there is a possibility of rupture.[00:43:30]

[00:43:32] Mandy: Oh my gosh, I don't even like saying the word, the phrase root rot. But that was a really good breakdown of how to avoid it or at least understand why it's happening. Ooh, thank you guys for your questions over on YouTube. We are getting a lot of thanks for you guys answering the previous questions.

[00:43:44] Mandy: So yeah, keep 'em coming if you guys have questions. But until then I'll pass it over to you. Ka.

[00:43:49] Kaisha: Thank you Mandy bud rot? No. All right. We talked a little bit about white ash and it just so happened that Jacob submitted a couple questions on that topic. So let's go to [00:44:00] those. Here's his first one. Can I just hang longer in a climate controlled dry room for an extra week or two and not cure enclosed containers with the burping method?

[00:44:11] Kaisha: Or is there a process with gas exchange in a closed container that affects the curing process? So that's the first question. Thoughts on that?

[00:44:20] Jason: This is a great question and I'd love to know more about the science behind it. From practice, you just gotta care. Having it hang up in a room it's [00:44:30] just not going to get the properties to equalize as you will in a container that's burping.

[00:44:36] What

[00:44:36] Randy Wintle: do you.

[00:44:39] Randy Wintle: Same thing with you. I'd love to know why, but for some reason he just gotta put it in the bin, in the jar and burp it and give it its time. It's not as easy as just hanging it, it's, we tried similar, we had similar ideas. If you would think one room, if it's the same, 60, 60, whatever, but it's, there's some different stuff going on there.

[00:44:55] Randy Wintle: So

[00:44:58] Kaisha: yes, the science behind curing, [00:45:00] we'd love to know more on that. Cool. All right. And then his second question here, what are the biggest factors that contribute to white ash? Clean, smooth smoke, no chlorophyl taste, curing, et cetera.

[00:45:13] Jason: Yeah. So a lot of what we have seen suggests that, the lower nitrogen concentrations towards the end is gonna reduce how much carbohydrates are in that plant.

[00:45:23] Jason: And then definitely the curing phase plays a huge part as well. Making sure that you give the plant long enough for those [00:45:30] chlorophylls to break down and any of the living action in that plant to, to cease before it, it's ready for consumption.

[00:45:41] Kaisha: Yeah. That's another age old question I have to say. I, maybe I'm just spoiled. I really haven't had any issues with. Ash color, I do pretty good as a consumer. So, all right. Live questions coming in on YouTube. Mandy sending it over to you.

[00:45:55] Mandy: Yeah. Kaisha, that's just your green thumb. You j you just had it to begin with.

[00:45:59] Mandy: We love [00:46:00] that. That's what it's Caesar had another question. Why are so many commercial growers only doing nine untapped plants per

[00:46:07] Jason: light? It depends what light they have. That it kind of comes down to the conversation, historically where everyone was measuring plants per light or grams per light and stuff.

[00:46:18] Jason: And right now there's so many models of light out on the market that for me, it's not a consistent measurement. I always joke about this, like, I could grow a thousand plants under the light if it's the sun.[00:46:30]

[00:46:33] Jason: Or Randy, what do you think about measuring things by.

[00:46:36] Randy Wintle: Same thing. I thought you were gonna say, even just you put a bunch of seedlings on the bench and then you've got, a 500 room there and just flower 'em out like that. But that's the same idea. It also is so strain dependent. I know.

[00:46:46] Randy Wintle: That's the, I actually was kind of joking. I'm like, every time we ask a question on a AROYA, it ends up being strain dependent. And it is. It's a lot has to. And that's why we do these groupings and we track that data so we can group plants together the way that they grow. But[00:47:00] we found you just get certain plants that don't grow the same way.

[00:47:04] Randy Wintle: And so, our super brief, we put more plants in than our critical cheese because critical cheese is a bush and it just takes up more bench. So it's all different across every strain. And like you said, every light, every bench layout, maybe a five foot benches, you have four foot benches. It's hard to standardize any of it Now.

[00:47:21] Mandy: Caesar came back with h ps 1000 watt.[00:47:30]

[00:47:30] Jason: Very standard light. Yeah. Strain dependent and start taking measurements as far as, plants per square foot or plant spacing. And that's gonna make it easier to, track and compare when when you're expanding your facilities or reaching out, increasing your strain library. Awesome.

[00:47:48] Jason: Great

[00:47:48] Mandy: question, Jill. That's it for our YouTube. So Kaisha back for Instagram questions.

[00:47:53] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. I'm sorry, I have to ask you this. Randy, what's the terpene profile of Critical cheese? [00:48:00]

[00:48:00] Randy Wintle: I can It's not cheese. It's funny. So we actually just got some really awesome results cause we got a thir.

[00:48:05] Randy Wintle: So we make lot everything into live rosin and we hit 13% terpenes on our live rosin of critical cheese this last round, which is really good for solventless, with no no solvents we use to make that happen. So, it, I always say it reminds me of like a fruity cereal bowl. It's super fruit forward for the name.

[00:48:23] Randy Wintle: But it does have some of that funk in it. And the flower definitely has more of a cheesy funk, but you open up either a bag of the flower [00:48:30] or the rosin, or a bag of our gummies and it will smell like that cheese. But it's like a berry cheese. The terpenes come

[00:48:36] Kaisha: through. Berries and cheese. Yeah.

[00:48:39] Randy Wintle: Yeah.

[00:48:40] Randy Wintle: Cereal. I'm cereal bowl. Just like a good old Yeah.

[00:48:43] Kaisha: With a little ch a little funk to it. Yes. Care for it. Awesome. Okay. Thank you for that. That was just for me. All right. Moving on here. Clark wrote in. They wanna know what type of a steer should I be doing around week five of flour. I'm hand watering in a three three gallon [00:49:00] coco pot.

[00:49:01] Kaisha: Input around 2.8 to 3.2 EC pH 5.9 to 6.0. Today's day 36 and I plan on running them 63 per day's, one through 28. I watered them within the first hour of lights being on. Since then, I have let them dry back harder and watered two hours after lights on. Any advice for Clark?

[00:49:25] Jason: Yeah. And water obviously, and we talk about this all the time, is [00:49:30] a little bit more challenging just because it flexibility of how you irrigate is limited to Input resources and typically however long someone wants to, go do circles around the facility to irrigate those plants.

[00:49:42] Jason: And I, I personally, my first irrigation, I always like to have it between one and two hours after lights on. If I'm trying to have a larger dry back and I'll open up my irrigation window. When you think about hand watering, it's like, all right, maybe when we're generative steering, we'll just do one round around the room to, to [00:50:00] irrigate by hand each of those plants and get 'em up to field capacity.

[00:50:03] Jason: And maybe when I'm doing a little bit of vegetative steering I'll do, two rounds or three rounds in there with some smaller irrigations to get to field capacity.

[00:50:14] Kaisha: Cool. Yeah. Randy, anything to add to that sound? Sound good to. Yeah. All right, cool. All right. Burn tires. Burn trees left a comment they wanted to know. How long should the roots be in a four by four before transplanting into slab? I have to [00:50:30] assume there's a decent root mass in the cube not dangling out the bottom.

[00:50:34] Kaisha: What do you guys think?

[00:50:36] Jason: Yeah. That one's a little bit tricky because usually long roots are indicating that we're pushing maybe a little too much runoff especially in a four by four early on. Traditionally we want to kind of keep those roots in that substrate so that they have access to water while that block has water in it kind of just my general rule of thumb, when I look at the bottom of a four by four, I wanna see where it's in, say, 60 to 70% of the bottom [00:51:00] of that cube.

[00:51:00] Jason: So, if we're thinking of the rockwool being kind of a yellowish color, we wanna see some amount of white hairs in about a little over half to three quarters of that block. What works for you, Randy?

[00:51:14] Randy Wintle: Yeah, we just actually started using four by fours in veg. So we're still doing four by fours in veg and then we put them on a one gallon coco pot and flour.

[00:51:22] Randy Wintle: And I was thinking about, it's funny because it, I was had kind of that feeling, everybody shows on Instagram, they're giant roots on the bottom and we didn't have [00:51:30] some of that. We had, and I was like, well, it's not always a good thing. But I was kind of, feeling inferior that I didn't have the giant udon noodles as I like to say.

[00:51:37] Randy Wintle: But it is, it's a, it's another balance of you don't want to actually have that cause it's, cuz you're running off too much and you have a lot more room for bad things. But I think what you just said, I mean, same thing with clones, right? You wanna look for something that's gonna, hefty amount of roots coming out of that clone medium.

[00:51:52] Randy Wintle: Just like the same thing on rockwool before you transplant. You wanna make sure it's ready to.

[00:51:59] Kaisha: [00:52:00] Fantastic. Thank you so much for your guys' insight on that. Okay. I had one more question from Jacob. And he's looking for daytime, our advice on daytime and nighttime room temps. What daytime and nighttime room temps are you targeting for l e d room, h p s room and l e d slash ps combo room for each stage of flower and when do you drop your tine temps and increase your diff I feel like that's kind of a tough question for us to answer, but maybe some considerations for [00:52:30] Jacob.

[00:52:30] Kaisha: What would you guys recommend?

[00:52:33] Jason: Strain dependent. And so just the most general parameters that I go with is I like to think and it depends on how much Anth signin that you're pushing. If you need, if you're hitting a market that's just absolutely demands the purple in coloring, then you're usually gonna go for a little bit larger nighttime, daytime temperature differentials.

[00:52:51] Jason: But I like to try and just think about breaking the cycle into three chunks. Sometimes it's easier to break into your generative, you're vegetative and you're ripening. Sometimes it's [00:53:00] easier just to do it three weeks, three weeks, and three weeks. But I like to think about usually zero to five degree night day differential for the first third of the flower cycle.

[00:53:08] Jason: Middle third, I'll do usually around five degrees. And then for the last third I'll be five to 10 degrees.

[00:53:19] Jason: Any

[00:53:19] Kaisha: other thoughts to add

[00:53:20] Randy Wintle: to that, Randy? No, we've always shocked for the same thing. I think the, as I think it's, Seth is always saying that 10 degree differential is actually really tough to hit if you're [00:53:30] watching your humidity as well. Right? Unless you have like an amazing HVAC system with a lot of these, which you should have if you can do it right, if you're able to.

[00:53:37] Randy Wintle: But that's the hardest part is knowing you guys kind of work with what you can. We always shoot for that 10 degree diff, probably 80 air temperature of like 83 degrees to 80 degrees during the middle of flower for our l e d rooms. And then we're lo we're still 75 to 80 degrees for later flower, but then we have a differential at night.

[00:53:58] Randy Wintle: And like with the last couple [00:54:00] days, we might just cut the room down completely. It'll be nice and chill, but that's also because we're harvesting for fresh frozen. So we like everything to be nice and cold the whole process.

[00:54:11] Kaisha: Cool. Yeah, it's great to have your insights too, because you are dealing with, you're making some concentrates over there too, so Yeah.

[00:54:16] Kaisha: You got a lot going on. All right, Mandy, in these last minute, I'm gonna send it over to you, what's going on YouTube?

[00:54:21] Mandy: Yeah, what a great time over on YouTube. Thanks everyone for your questions and thanks for answering our poll. We love everything that you guys submitted this week. I [00:54:30] guess that's it for us over on YouTube.

[00:54:32] Mandy: I am just grateful to have Randy on the show. I was part of his case study and got to visit his facility and meet his team last year. He's a really amazing cultivator who's growing fire tree up there that he then turns into amazing hash. So, and I can't stop talking about it, but we gotta have him back on the show and yeah, it was such a great show.

[00:54:51] Mandy: Thank you, Randy, for being here with

[00:54:52] Randy Wintle: us today. Yeah, thank you so much. And thank you for the case study too. It was amazing. Like I said, I'm not kidding. It makes me and my wife tear up each time we watch the video, so [00:55:00] we're really excited about it. It's awesome.

[00:55:02] Kaisha: Fantastic. Well, yeah, no, what's any, anything you wanna tell us about coming down in the immediate future?

[00:55:08] Kaisha: Randy, keep, what should we keep our eyes out for?

[00:55:11] Randy Wintle: Always pheno hunting. We've got we're continue our hash hunts, so we're gonna introduce some new strains like strawberry guava and melted strawberries, alpine guava, some exciting stuff. And we're gonna have everything in live, ros and grounds, vape cards and edibles.

[00:55:24] Randy Wintle: It's kind of cool. We really carry that terpene profile all the way from the harvest to the [00:55:30] edible. It's really neat. I just, I got to try out our raspberry cheesecake critical cheese gummies this morning, today. So we really go for it, with that cheese. And it's a raspberry cheesecake flavored, and that's what we're doing.

[00:55:42] Randy Wintle: We're just trying to make people have a good time while they're getting high on hash. You live a good

[00:55:46] Kaisha: life, my friend. Thank you so much. Randy Wintel, facility director and owner of Calor Farms in Maine. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you, Jason for leading and hosting another great session.

[00:55:59] Kaisha: [00:56:00] Mandy, thank you for being my partner in moderation or moderating rather and producer. Chris, thank you for all you're doing in the background there. Thanks to everybody who joined us for this week's AROYA Office Hours. We do this every Thursday, and the best way to get answers from the experts is to join us live.

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