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[00:00:00] Kaisha: All right. How's it. Growing friends, welcome to office hours, your source for free cannabis cultivation education. And it is four 20 everywhere. My name is Kaisha. I'll be co moderating today. Not alone with. Manny.

[00:00:13] Mandy: Maybe Kaisha, how's it going? We're here for episode four 20, I mean, episode 62. Y'all know we're going live over on YouTube. So if you're logging out over there,

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[00:00:54] Kaisha: Fantastic. Mandy, thank you so much. All right. If you're live with us here and you have a question type at any time [00:01:00] in the chat, and if your question gets picked, we'll have you either unmute yourself or I can ask for you, Seth and Jason are in the house today. Gentlemen, how are you

[00:01:07] Seth: doing?

[00:01:09] Kaisha: Good. My first question comes from me. What do you think of my home grown flower? Look at that.

[00:01:16] Jason: Celebrating. Okay.

[00:01:18] Kaisha: I haven't no, this is just one of the jars. This is just the one. Even crack this. Okay. Yeah. The PPD and the water content and everything is just

[00:01:28] Seth: perfect. [00:01:30] I'll get the judging criteria.

[00:01:31] Seth: Oh,

[00:01:32] Kaisha: yes. Okay. Really narrow it down. Excellent. All right. You guys ready for like an actual, like real question? All right, we got this right in from Clark. He's just curious on Stewart and steering. Is it true that a generative steer, which is watering two hours after sunrise would reduce stretch?

[00:01:53] Kaisha: But would put on less bud sites or how does that grow or, sorry, how does that go?

[00:01:59] Jason: [00:02:00] Yeah. So, I mean, regardless of generative or vegetative I usually like to recommend you're getting for the first time, one to two hours after lights on. So, usually when we're talking about generative, it's just.

[00:02:11] Jason: I'm first irrigation last year. Arrogation how big is that window? The called generative stacking because you shouldn't be sacking about sites. So should it be doing a couple things? One is reducing how quickly. That plant is vertically stretching and that means your node space. And it's going to be a little bit tighter and you actually should get a

[00:02:27] Seth: few more minutes.

[00:02:29] Seth: Yeah. One of the key things [00:02:30] that some people struggle with, especially with available. And she went out there as. Saying. Yeah, I'm going to start my generative steer. We're going to start two hours after lights on, but we're going to wait, let's say 45 minutes between waterings on six water. All effectively, we've taken our irrigation window out to longer than two hours.

[00:02:47] Seth: And that is a big factor in what actually dictates like a generative versus steer. Vegetative. We have more shots throughout the day. One of the big things is that 22 hour or the maximum amount of [00:03:00] dry bag time, week. Yeah, but without putting more shots on. So 100%. It is true. If you executed generative steer impaired to a vegetative steer on the same strand, you're going to end up with a shorter plan.

[00:03:11] Seth: More notes on it. That being said, You want to really define what that generative steer is and not just say, Hey, I'm going two hours after lights on. Versus, you know, watering, let's say six, six evenly spaced times a day, starting at two hours after lunch. So.[00:03:30]

[00:03:30] Seth: As of yet, I have yet to see a situation where a true generative steer doesn't help a plant shorten up and. Produce more insights and. No. I agree with, if you really want to prove this to yourself. Go right back to your basement. And get a five gallon pot and put it right next to a one gallon pot, same size plant in it.

[00:03:49] Seth: And water. As needed. You'll see a huge difference in morphology between the two plants. And that's a great idea. Visual representation of what's going on there. [00:04:00]

[00:04:01] Kaisha: Awesome. Great overview. Thank you guys. We have overviews over here. All right. Happy four 20 everybody. If you're on with his life, today's the day let's get some questions answered. Alright, Dave Ray road and looking for tips to increase density. He's wondering, should we shorten the bolt stage?

[00:04:19] Jason: Increasing density is hurting the bulk stage. Probably not. And I mean, maybe if you're. Decreasing it with already too short of a [00:04:30] generative steer in there. And then probably you know, book stage is going to be filling out the bud sites that have already been created from that generative steering.

[00:04:37] Jason: And so you should be. Seeing the camp you fill out pretty damn well throughout that at bulking session. And at that being said, sometimes strains are just not big enough for the plants patients that are in the room. So. Really trying to understand. All right, what is the optimal spacing for this cultivar recording it, running off that while you're modulating some of the crop steering to also optimize [00:05:00] that plant size is probably the best

[00:05:01] Seth: ground here.

[00:05:02] Seth: Yeah. And I think, you know, maybe what this guy's getting at is actual bud density. Not can't be possibly. And if we're talking about actual blood density as a few things, At number one is timing your. Irrigation strategies, switches, right? Like we generally say three weeks, 21 days is a pretty average time. Most strain straps, right?

[00:05:22] Seth: Well, if we have a strain that does happen to stretch for four, four and a half weeks, you. At 28 plus days, if we go into bulky too early, that's going to encourage [00:05:30] stretching inside of the stock. The flower. So we're going to get stretching in between our individual Bracks. Some that flower. So that's part of why crop registration really comes into this, you know, I mean,

[00:05:40] Seth: There's a. General idea of what crop steering is. And then there's how we actually apply it to every individual strain. And when we're looking at things like that, we want to say, okay, What was our irrigation strategy? That's a big, whole IC is like, when I look back, I go, okay, I can count your shots on the graph.

[00:05:57] Seth: What was your programming? Let's look at that [00:06:00] and verify it and say, okay. With this particular strain. Anytime we go. And I can, I always use GMO. Classic example. Just because it's pretty relevant right now, but that particular strain, most of the time when you started, even in bulking, like, let's say you wait five weeks.

[00:06:16] Seth: Oh, very conservative switching over to your vegetative bulking strategy. If you both that particular strain too hard, a lot of times you'll get the same result, which is looser, bud. Rebel finishing. And that's just the way that particular strain responds. [00:06:30] To several irrigation events a day. So, you know, tracking your strains and really using like, especially photographic tracking.

[00:06:38] Seth: Now, how did this respond? Like if I'm trying a new strain, I'm trying to maximum bulking strategy. Take a picture a few times a week. Really track that bud development, because the other side of this is by the time you've blown up that bud and made it loose. We're not going to be able to recover it during that room.

[00:06:54] Seth: You know, that's a lesson learned for next time. So. You know, I know Jason does this, I do myself. [00:07:00] We always try to push people towards a little bit more conservative, all king. And generative steers and then working your way into maximize.

[00:07:08] Jason: Yeah. And also to reiterate that like, There's different levels of how.

[00:07:13] Jason: ARD we're steering in either direction. It's not like a one or a zero as far as, Hey, we're either educated or generative. It's like, all right, what's our environmental cues on the plant. And how hard are we pushing our irrigation cues one way or the other? And so there's a chance that [00:07:30] maybe you just needed to lay off of here occasions or shorten up that window. Just a tad bit during Vulcan as well.

[00:07:35] Jason: That's really going to be dependent on some of 'em. You know, your sub-trades sizes and any irrigation

[00:07:41] Seth: capacities. Yeah, and it's good to remember. This is a really, you know, everything about crop steering is holistic. So we've got our irrigation strategies, but whenever you're reviewing your data, you know,

[00:07:52] Seth: Whether they're basic crop registration or environmental data. You also want to look at some, in any inconsistencies you have in your system and [00:08:00] account for those. So if we look back and say, Hey, We're looking at all this data that we'd grown this crop same way as many times, but we made a fundamental change in our system. And now we can do.

[00:08:10] Seth: Oh, a big one for people jumping from the possibility of running 12 irrigations a day, two unlimited irrigations a day. Okay right there. That's really where your job as a cultivator is to gather the, all the data you. To make an informed choice next time. And I think that's where people. Really struggled because we all run around. I mean, and this is a production facility. It's more [00:08:30] of a factory than a garden.

[00:08:31] Seth: At that point. And we want it to be as simple as possible, but the reality is once we start to get into the boutique and specialty market, you know, that. 40% of screens. That's kind of finicky. That's when that crop registration really comes in, you have to be diligent and I'll always say it by the time you grow one strain 40 times.

[00:08:49] Seth: If you don't have documentation to go with that, it's really hard to pin down. Like, Hey, I know I remember this one time. That weird thing happened. But very rare that I'll remember, like every little [00:09:00] tale around it. So we get at that particular.

[00:09:06] Kaisha: Yeah, you got to do your own. At your own benchmarks. Collect your data, collect your information. Take those pictures, everybody. All right, Mandy was happening on YouTube.

[00:09:17] Mandy: Yeah, you guys are so many questions. So our first question is. What do you guys think about having mothers in three liter pots? Is this enough media?

[00:09:27] Jason: Three liter for a mom. If you're not keeping the mom [00:09:30] very long, then maybe there's a chance. You know, one of the nice things about moms is we're used to always doing a vegetative irrigation. And so we are constantly providing fresh nutrients and oxygen throughout most of the most of the 18 hour period to keep those things in moms.

[00:09:46] Jason: So, you know, if you're moms you're only getting maybe around her to a cuts, she can probably get away with it. All right, once. And is he the your mom's just aren't big enough to continue your supply? That definitely increased that. I mean, that's much smaller [00:10:00] than I would recommend, obviously the most applications.

[00:10:03] Seth: Yeah. You know, Jason, traditionally, I would have said that, but now that we're seeing bigger facilities, but she props through faster. I like to call them, mom, cropping is becoming more and more popular and a lot of people aren't having success with a small media like that, but the reality is you're extending your total gross cycle, basically back several months, starting with saying, okay, do I need.

[00:10:23] Seth: 10 moms in a three liter pod or a six by six. You go to get the number of cuts that I need. [00:10:30] So is it. Is it reasonable? Yes. But it depends on your particular facility space limitations, and I'll fast. You need to be turning out. At the end of the day, Going with newer moms that are younger and haven't been cut as many times. That's going to give you more consistent.

[00:10:46] Seth: Loans. But if you don't have the space to have. 10, small moms. For, you know, that particular crop then we're looking at, you know, would you say isn't it. Six to a 10 gallon pot, maybe max. I'll make sure you, if [00:11:00] you're going with Coco, make sure you get a decent amount of perlite in there. So you can push off that reroute for a while. You know, I always didn't always say perlite scratch, but not when it comes to a mom that you want to be low maintenance.

[00:11:13] Seth: Those are

[00:11:13] Mandy: great notes. Yeah. Some considerations to keep in mind and spacing is a big one. We did have another question over on YouTube. So Diane wants to know. So he's out here. He really wants us to ask you that specifically, but let's talk about this. Do we care about water content or do we [00:11:30] care about poor water east?

[00:11:32] Mandy: In the pots. Water in the pots shouldn't matter, but I want to hear your opinion. Let's just talk about this.

[00:11:38] Seth: Yeah. So, you know, when we're talking about any of our soil is growing media, whether it be. Moscow Rockwall. You could grow and scrape her light if you want to. One of the things we're looking at is that poor water. You see, we want to modulate that, maintain it, and we want to maintain our water, Pete.

[00:11:54] Seth: So when we're talking about water content Yeah, like let's say you're in Rockwall or, you know, straight [00:12:00] Coco. That plan has no at the plants. I've brains, but it can't risk it. There's not much of a plant response between, you know, let's say 60% water content. 30% because the matrix potential in that soil, how hard it's holding onto the water.

[00:12:14] Seth: Is a negligible. So we do want to make, watch poor water, etc. And that's actually how we're going to determine how far back, like, I'm using cocoa as an example. As we can drive back from say 65% all the way down to 2025. I'm going to look at my poor water ISI. [00:12:30] Especially when I get towards the end of bulky and ripening and determined, like how far can I drive back without spiking that eats up too much.

[00:12:37] Seth: But also I want to be pulling my pH samples and making sure that if I'm. You know, if I'm in a low ECE situation, I'm trying to get that up a little bit. I don't want to Completely limit runoff because eventually. If everything's going well, I'll see my pH start to go down. As that plants pulling out available nutrients and changing that balance.

[00:12:57] Seth: So you do want to make sure you're paying attention to that poor water. [00:13:00] You see, always pay attention to your pH. And then decide like, Hey, if I have to. Have runoff or five days. To get my ECE up to where I want it.

[00:13:11] Seth: Try it go ahead, but make sure you pull it in pH sample off of it. As soon as you can, at the end of that five days and evaluate where you're at, because getting a higher ISI. It's not worth it. If we're grabbing a plant into a deficiencies zone insurance page.

[00:13:25] Jason: Yeah, just to kind of jump into the major potential that you're talking about.

[00:13:29] Jason: Absolutely [00:13:30] agree with, you know, what we're posts on there is it UC, but we have to remember our water content limitation ranges, and that's different for different types of media. You know, when we're looking at rockwool, we do have very linear inter potential. So, maybe potential as we talked about, it's the amount of backing that the roots have to apply to the substrate. That being said.

[00:13:50] Jason: It's something like rockwool. We usually never want to go down below 35%. If we can avoid it. You know, we're going to run into some hydrophobic properties, maybe a little bit of irrigation channeling. And it's just [00:14:00] gonna be difficult to maintain or build capacity if we run it that far. So if we're pushing huge dry bags, we do have to recognize, Hey, we want to get up to our deal capacity with that.

[00:14:08] Jason: And Coco a little bit different. It's not quite as linear with what's major potential. And it usually has an elbow and inflection point now. Potentially. And it's different for a different brightest Coco, depending on the chip and pith size. But usually that's we see that around 20 25%. And so typically we'll want to train.

[00:14:29] Jason: A [00:14:30] little bit about that. If we can. Because that's when we're going to start to induce a little bit of a harder time. If the plant.

[00:14:36] Seth: Pull water from the upstream. Yeah, I think this is a great time to really hammer it in like your your dry bag percentage is not going to be a finite number. I'm never going to be able to give you a strain.

[00:14:47] Seth: Say. This is the exact drawback you want on this tram because that drive back. Is a, it's a sum of all of your environmental factors going into it. It could be not getting a 20% drive back because we have a bigger pot for the same [00:15:00] size plant. All right. In that situation, given the rest of the environment is fine.

[00:15:04] Seth: That's okay. As long as we're hitting a 10 to 15% drive back every day. So we get proper. Airation. In our media and it's fine. We don't necessarily like. Just because one of your friends who grow it says I pushed a 40% dry back in my cocoa on this run. And it turned out amazing. Doesn't mean that's the solution for your specific grow.

[00:15:24] Seth: Unless everything else is exactly the same down to strain this tire. As he flipped it at the time you check your huts. [00:15:30] Are you at the time you topped it, let's say, and then everything else. So. I really want to highlight, like, you know, these numbers are all relative. And as far as you know, what we're looking for that 10 to 15% is our solid baseline to say that plants getting good transportation.

[00:15:45] Seth: You know, if we took that out to. A five gallon pot with a six foot plant in it. Now let's talk about bulking there. And what'd you say, Jason, we'd be pretty. We're going to have to do some work, even on four or five shots. I think they're going to have to be tiny. And we're gonna have to [00:16:00] monitor that dry back and be like, yep, we got 10%.

[00:16:02] Seth: Do you want a good. We can't put on any more bulky. And that's where, like some of these things change, you know, when we have different dynamics in terms of plant a pot size and what we achieve in terms of BPD and temperature. Those numbers are going to vary wildly and your skill as a cultivator is being able to manage the difference in what you're seeing from crop to crop.

[00:16:22] Seth: Crop season to season media to media. And focusing on things like your water ISI. Your pH and maintaining the rest [00:16:30] of your environment. That plant in that comfort zone. You know, and it probably, my biggest rule of thumb is if you welted any plants, trying to push that big dry bag. You probably pushed it a little too far.

[00:16:41] Seth: And most of the time, that's just as, Hey we got to six or seven weeks in. And we grew up planting bigger than we've ever grown. I heard this little pot, so it's sucking up some water. And that's where, you know, a lot of girls are rented that limitation saying, Hey, I'm going from a one to. Two gallon pot.

[00:16:56] Seth: I'm growing bigger plants. And I need a bigger gas tank to [00:17:00] drive this machine. And

[00:17:01] Jason: so our irrigation water, our predication. Code three places. Runoff To the plant through transpiration and then you're a bad operation. So, since we're not. And I use runoff in our name of our dry bag. I'll use drive back to this evaporation and transportation.

[00:17:19] Jason: So, when we think about where that water's going, let's say rain a one gallon cocoa pot. We're at only 5% dry back and we're a quarter of a gallon of water that's being paused [00:17:30] to or used. To evaporation and transpiration. Now if we're in a two gallon, if we're running the same size plant and it has the same amount of water usage.

[00:17:38] Jason: We're only going to see after that. So it's 12 and a half percent dry back. It's going to be the same amount of water being used by the plant.

[00:17:45] Seth: Yeah. And I do want to highlight something too about the adjacent, like, let's say we're in a greenhouse where we live in August. I be beauty's pushing at 1.6 to 1.9.

[00:17:55] Seth: I'm actually losing water efficiency in the plant. So at that point, my [00:18:00] transpiration is actually drawing more water through the plant that adds just so the plant. Itself. And it's able to actually fix in carbon. And sugars inside the plant. So at that point okay. If I'm in a greenhouse late summer, it's getting pretty hot.

[00:18:15] Seth: If I run a one gallon, most of the time, maybe I run a two gallon during July and August and September. Just because I now have this limitation and I have less water efficiency. Therefore I need to have more water available to plant to the same amount of biomass than I would if we were able to keep [00:18:30] our VB.

[00:18:30] Seth: That efficiency.

[00:18:32] Jason: Yeah. Actually, it brings up really interesting. Topic that I didn't know about when I was during cultivation. And if you research, why are you sufficiency? There's some really cool articles about this stuff and traditional horticulture. And it brings me into carbon dioxide when we're actually optimized our carbon dioxide. We've.

[00:18:50] Jason: Increased our water, use efficiency. Sometimes we'll see the transpiration rates go down, even though. Plant is growing faster. So, you know, anytime that we're talking about optimizing [00:19:00] small conductance getting the most transpiration through those still makes as possible. Always, you know, keep in mind that if you're modulating your CO2, that those numbers aren't going to be

[00:19:09] Seth: equivalent.

[00:19:10] Seth: Oh, absolutely. I mean, that's an issue I've actually been seeing lately as some people able to push. Way more biomass. And then they have in the past as a aide traditionally, now we start to enter ripening. And especially with this equipment, we can actually validate some of the things we already knew from.

[00:19:26] Seth: Tribal knowledge with cannabis and also just traditional horticulture, which is [00:19:30] when a plant starts to, to Sanaz AK. K enter it's ramping stage. It's not going to take up as many nutrients. It's not going to take up ideally as much water. But one thing we've been seeing is like, Hey, if I a. If I just cut CO2 and nutrients, but keep my life the same towards the end. I might get some adverse effects on plant health as the plant's not able to actually deal with all that light, that getting it.

[00:19:51] Seth: And so it's kind of a balancing game at that point. Do I. I reduced my CO2. I know that I need to reduce my life personally. If I already used my life [00:20:00] proportionally, do I get the same kind of growth in VBP? So it's always. A juggling act. You know, like if we're talking about HBS bulbs, for instance,

[00:20:08] Seth: If I reduce my CO2 at the end, but I need to keep, you know, And a lot of growers right now that especially if you have a couple of year old build out that was planned around HPS you're planning on having that radiant heat. Room to help you deal with some of that humidity. Well, if I cut my lights to 60% for the last two weeks.

[00:20:25] Seth: And cut CO2 down to like 30%. I'm limiting the plant in a [00:20:30] few different ways and also potentially introducing that potential for mold because. My systems. Achieves the BPD I want, when I have that radiant heat.

[00:20:41] Seth: So it's a lot of balancing. To do and sometimes In my experience, it's a little easier to run a. Closer to full throttle and give the plant everything you think it needs and try to run by the bare minimum. And that's something that we're allowed to do in cannabis that I think is pretty rapid.

[00:20:58] Seth: You know, before I ever got into [00:21:00] cannabis, I was never allowed to push it on the input side of things. You know, as always. How can we get by with the least amount? And we're totally blown out of the water when. For good quality cannabis.

[00:21:12] Mandy: That's great advice and great question, Diane. Iron armor road in high iron armor. What are your thoughts on using gloom nutrients instead of beds, nutrients for cloning and root in after transplant and even using the bloom nutrients during a whole two week vege, I was under the [00:21:30] impression. That P and K from the bloom nutrients help stimulate root, bro. I'm thinking back on the days when I was using that Lucas formula, if you guys are familiar with that,

[00:21:42] Seth: I remember that from way back in the day. Yeah. And Jake will help growth for sure. Typically the most of your basic edge formulations are going to be grade. One thing to remember, like calcium nitrate. You put that in. That's the positive and of three. That's going to break down. [00:22:00] Nitrate goes into the plant. Nitrate actually stimulates a similar reaction. The plan is oxygen.

[00:22:05] Seth: Oxen is our primary rooting hormone is in the plan. So, you know, running. Yeah, like a 1.0 1.5, EDC. Cloning solution. Eastern. Medi-Cal Megan, it's going to give you. Pretty good Ruth. Roots what they are. I mean, the big thing to remember here is like, anytime we're talking about Ochsner reading or.

[00:22:23] Seth: And there's two places that's per guest and expressed. And. So that's either produced at your far distal mirror. Stems of the [00:22:30] growing points to beat ranch and it moves downward. Or we can stimulate oxygen production by actually damaging a node. Axial node, which is what we do. And we're cloning it.

[00:22:39] Seth: Correctly. That's why we're cutting right up next to that node actually damaging that axial Maris stem, because that's going to previous a lot of oxygen. Which causes Calla singing.

[00:22:52] Seth: Awesome. Thanks

[00:22:53] Mandy: for that. I believe that is it for for, on YouTube for now. So I will pass it back to education.

[00:22:58] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you, Mandy. All [00:23:00] right. Yeah, if y'all are joining us late, cause it is April 20th. We totally understand. But we are talking all about crop, steering and cultivation today. We want to hear your questions.

[00:23:10] Kaisha: All right. Elvis wrote in. Speaking some advice. Hi guys. I was wondering if you could advise me on growing in Coco, I am growing into gallon crock pots with two drip feeds in each pot. I need to know what pH WC and E C I need to be at from every stage of growing. [00:23:30] If you have any advice, it would be really appreciated. Well, I'm pretty sure we can't give him those stats, but.

[00:23:35] Kaisha: What advice we want to give Alvarez? It sounds like he's kind of just getting started and doing some cops during for the first time. So what do you recommend.

[00:23:43] Jason: So it's just when there's pH, because we're usually keeping it pretty consistent. We might let it rise up or at the end of harvest, but OBL point of yet.

[00:23:49] Jason: Or most cup

[00:23:50] Seth: coasts, which by the way, it means I 0.6 to 5.9. And Coco, usually I'm just dumping it in at five nine and keeping that consistent.[00:24:00]

[00:24:01] Jason: The rest of those numbers can be either pounding our cultivation intro guide or any of the office hours. We've brought up crop screen about obviously their dynamic ranges. So, I think we've gone over all of them three or four times. Oh here.

[00:24:15] Seth: I gave you a quick one or to 12. Five to nine.

[00:24:19] Seth: And we'll go back to about four to 19. When you're ripening. The biggest thing about the ranges is again, crop, registration, and document how your plants are responding. And then we're talking [00:24:30] ISI. If you're starting out at home. I solace and take your measurements before you water after your P one.

[00:24:39] Seth: And then towards the end of the day with your drive back that way, you have an idea of what we're getting throughout the day, how far it's dragged back, what the response was and where we come in at the highest point, which should be. Just before watering your. I just remember, like, just been saying this.

[00:24:53] Seth: ITI, especially the dynamic. So it start out with you know, It's going to sound old school, but watch [00:25:00] your pH and your runoff. Maintain that in your root zone. And then once you can make manage pH all the way through and you're ready to start stacking them.

[00:25:09] Seth: 'cause that's we run into all the time. Like, Hey, I want to stack my pH or I want to stack my ECM. Yeah. I said earlier in this episode, again, a week later, we're down at up. Or 0.9 or 5.1 pH. Okay, well, you can't stack if that's the case, and then we're looking at, you know,

[00:25:27] Seth: Basically fixing that problem earlier on [00:25:30] by bringing those plants into straps with an appropriate amount of ISI and the root zone.

[00:25:34] Jason: And, you know, I've found that. Her helping avoid pH problems. A lot of times we just need to make sure that there's enough food getting fed to the plants. So first we making sure we're checking water quality and that's not affecting, but nutrient balance that we're feeding when we do mix up some fertilizer

[00:25:51] Jason: But from there. Seems like most of the time that I have run into clients with pH problems, it just comes down to underfeeding.

[00:25:59] Seth: Yep. [00:26:00] Generally speaking. And then, you know, when you're, when we're dealing with pH Browns, remember we're resetting that positive negative balance of ions. And if the plant's pulling out those negative ions and we're leaving positive, the only way we can really reset that is by pushing enough, enough ions back in.

[00:26:14] Seth: And since there are solution that we're pushing in as a little bit of both. I have to, you know, Maintain pushing enough runoff to actually reset that. So that's why it's, it gets to be a delicate balance. And once things are not going optimally, like let's say we just can't get that pH to stack. We're stuck between a [00:26:30] 2.5 and a 3.5.

[00:26:32] Seth: Lucy. yep. You know, by the time we hit, we. Three or four, that's your range? You know, it'll stack up a little bit, but there's no point in saying, oh, I've been at this point for three weeks now I just need to shoot it up and raise it. Like we're spending this whole plant's life, adapting it to a certain set of conditions.

[00:26:51] Seth: And we've got to work within the parameters that we end up setting for ourselves, whether intentional or not.

[00:26:59] Kaisha: [00:27:00] Fantastic. Elvis. Good luck out there. Keep us posted. All right, Mandy, sending it over to you for you to.

[00:27:06] Mandy: Awesome. Kaisha. Hello, Corey main road in. Hey, how's it going guys? Some questions for the boys this week. Is there a drive? Is the drive back duration or the dry bag? Percentage? The queue for generative.

[00:27:18] Mandy: And veggie steering for irrigation indoors. What tells the plant to switch to bulk or ripen, et cetera?

[00:27:26] Jason: So ha. I usually go by. Drive back [00:27:30] duration because your dry bag percentage is the target that we're trying to achieve, but that's gonna be based on a substrate size how fast his plants are actually growing, you know, is the environment.

[00:27:39] Jason: I just for them to be growing as fast as possible. How old are they? What. What's the strain like. It seems some strains that are heavy eaters that aren't heavy drinkers. Et cetera. So usually that's what I'm looking at. And typically, you know, That's also kind of just how we're getting to sending the cue to the plant and or for most of what the plant is feeling osmotic [00:28:00] potential.

[00:28:00] Jason: Decreasing osmotic potential between the substrate and the plant is kind of what we're going for as far as inducing those. Reproductive cues in the plant. Hormones.

[00:28:12] Seth: Yeah. Typically without watering frequency change, we're not We're pushing a response for the plant. That's totally remodel.

[00:28:18] Seth: So if the plan is in a hormonal state where that response is not going to be what we want. And that's why we're running a certain strategy. So, you know, we'll go back to your ending, your generative strategy. And stretches [00:28:30] done. So, you know, to answer the question bluntly, it is that time duration, because when we open up that irrigation window, we're just oxygenating that route.

[00:28:39] Seth: Over and over, and that really the best way to prove this for yourself. Instead of a bunch of times, you'll get yourself a bubble bucket or an arrow garden. And throw an airstone in there. So you get twice as much air in the water as you would with accurate little air book. And you'll see a lot more growth and that's what we're working on here is that root respiration.

[00:28:56] Seth: You know, if the roots don't have fresh oxygen, they can't work hard and moving [00:29:00] oxygen up. And then we kinda hit a double time with that osmotic pressure and we're slowing down the actual cellular. Not cellular well, because we want those cells to divide and make more cells, but we're slowing down that scratching.

[00:29:13] Jason: So what happens is after I add that airstone and I put some hypochlorous acid or. Getting better. Yeah.

[00:29:21] Seth: And that's where we see, you know, like, Classically hydroponics when we're talking about vegetable production, especially like, you know, greens, production, salad. [00:29:30] That's where a lot of air in that media really produces that really lush, productive art, green growth.

[00:29:36] Seth: And that's just due to the hormonal condition created in the plant when we're oxygenating the roots onto that level.

[00:29:43] Mandy: Oh, I had no idea. That was a great rundown guys. California Maine came back with the second question. He also does a temperature differential only contribute to purple color changes? Or does it tell the plant to change between bulk and ripen, et cetera? Lots of interests in the signaling cues for these [00:30:00] phases.

[00:30:02] Jason: Yeah, good old night day temperature differential. So obviously our anthocyanin production like you stated, there's one of the nice factors, lower temperatures. Usually do induce somewhat more generative response. It's killing the plant that it needs to be reproductive you know, it's entering into a season or a phase likely that it can't survive through. Not being said, no. My favorite is to keep those daytime, Tim's still pretty warm and then drop the, or increase the[00:30:30] differential. So dropped the nighttime temps a little bit more, a little bit more throughout the cycle so that we can.

[00:30:34] Jason: Keep the Metabolism up during the day, but then also send some of those cues to the plan.

[00:30:39] Seth: Yeah, I mean, a good way to look at it is we're not trying to a. These plants have spent millions of years evolving in a natural environment. Right. We're not trying to totally buck that natural environment at every stage in the process. We're trying to give it the best possible representation of what that could be.

[00:30:56] Seth: And part of that as we get accelerated plant metabolism at, let's [00:31:00] say 80 to 82 degrees, that's 80 to 85 generally. That's where we get the best plant metabolism across most species. We dropped that for part of the day we are slowing it down and the end result is just like Jason said, we're.

[00:31:13] Seth: A plant. Does it interpret it as we're giving it a cue? So much is that's what naturally happens at the end of summer. So we're really built, you know, We're rolling along with that life cycle. That's why, you know, people say, Hey, should I did my lights, a bunch of these. You know, towards the end of the round, it's like, well,

[00:31:28] Seth: When's your plan? Why? Why would you plant [00:31:30] finish outside? Early October is the sun less bright the first week of October? Yeah, not really, but it's called her at night and also the air is stilted farther away. So our spectrum might need. But. Typically that the sun doesn't dip down below, you know, a thousand PPFD.

[00:31:46] Seth: In September, unless it's really cloudy.

[00:31:51] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. We had a lot of questions submitted over on YouTube. So I'm going to start going through those. Diane wants to know. I think this is pretty interesting too. [00:32:00] What would happen if I grow the whole run generative steering instead of the vege and shit. Is that the best way?

[00:32:08] Mandy: Is that the best way to grow quality?

[00:32:11] Jason: You know, it. The question is, how did you use to see your plants when you were hand watering every day? That's a great example of a generative steering's throughout the entire cycle. I know when we were just getting in there. Irrigating in the morning or just after lights on and let those plants very back all day.

[00:32:28] Jason: That's a pretty generative queue.[00:32:30] You know, We really do introduce to induce blood growth so that we can get quality so that we can get those plants to ripen up as fast as possible, or get them. Through the lifecycle stages as quickly as possible. Sometimes you just need to run generative a little bit longer to make sure that it does get into that.

[00:32:49] Jason: At high quality. I'll even range. Yeah.

[00:32:51] Seth: I mean the simple answer is yes. We go back to a five gallon pot given. Evan at some expensive nutrients and. Watering it super generatively. We ended up with a plant [00:33:00] that was smaller than we got out of a one or two gallon pot. Now. But. You know, back to the home grounds, the best thing.

[00:33:06] Seth: If we go back 10 years, 15 years in the medical market. That's why. It's because actually that little bit of minimal maintenance going in and giving it a watering only when it needs it. And then letting it be quite a bit of the time actually does produce. Really good quality. But if we're talking about five gallons of media per plant, putting out a plant that's, you know,

[00:33:27] Seth: Two-thirds to half the size of what we're doing now. That's [00:33:30] not as economically viable. So we're crop steering, bridges. That gap is saying, how do we optimize the plan at different morphological stages? So we can target the buds that we can target the bud size and we can target quality.

[00:33:45] Mandy: There we go. I love that. Dr. J three or three wants to know. Is there a way to promote more TURPs with crop steering? Do we have any advice for improving Terp profiles with

[00:33:56] Jason: crops? Gehring.

[00:33:58] Jason: I, you know, I kind of goes back [00:34:00] into that last question. The last question they were talking about you know, as far as getting a high quality. You know, reducing that osmotic potential Inducing the right hormone response is in the plant. Should get ya. It was close to optimizing terpene profile as possible.

[00:34:13] Seth: Yeah. So, you know, I mean, a big part of it I've noticed is being able to ripen. So if you've got a five foot plan and a six by six, you go, it's going to be tough to push a generative steering strategy. So you've already thrown that tool out of your toolbox. The next one that really equates to that is being able to run a little [00:34:30] bit lower temperatures. So being in that like 73 to 75, 8 time, mid sixties, nighttime.

[00:34:36] Seth: And really what that has more to do with is volatility, a terpene, right? So in a hotter environment or those turpines gas off, less of it makes it into your jar. So those are two things you can really do to optimize that. And then, you know, honestly, one of the next ones gets into a. We call it chemo type.

[00:34:53] Seth: And cannabis where it's like, Hey, I'm growing this strain, this steering strategy under these conditions that I'm [00:35:00] harvesting this day. Because the day you harvest, that's going to affect the ratio of what turpines you have the contents of the ad. What actually turpines. And the plan because different plants will have a different terpene expression at different points in their charity.

[00:35:15] Seth: And then the end date is like, do I want this to be the same every time? Okay. I need to replicate all of these variables right down to the harvest day. To get my ratio THCA to THC. The amount of, like, let's say I'm looking for JCB and [00:35:30] then if I'm looking for any kind of special terms, I got to target that day because now we're playing a game of not only, you know, producing all these track homes.

[00:35:38] Seth: Optimizing our harvest conditions and time to minimize the term volatility. And then also getting that's, you know, Right after that is where post-production gets it. And a bunch of us, especially if you've grown at home. AB grounds for amazing herbs that turned out Hey, you didn't hear it quite correctly. And that's a big part of that is a locking in some way, string gassing off [00:36:00] TURPs at the wrong.

[00:36:01] Seth: So. You know, when we're talking about a flavor profile and overall quality. That post-production is just as important as our actual production run as well. I'd seen a lot of amazing herbs. Yeah, it turned into a. I want these different word, but it's. Just as they were it wasn't handled properly between, you know, cut and making it to packaging.

[00:36:24] Jason: Yeah, I. You know, one of the things that I love to do is take a picture right there towards the end of harvest, you know, get [00:36:30] some Microscope. If you don't have one yet. Throw your tricombs under there. Ah what color of Amber and how much of that Tricom count do we want in that Amber to.

[00:36:39] Jason: Perfect. The terpene profile that we're getting off

[00:36:41] Seth: of that string. Yeah, I think Mikey Nella there keep checking that and look for. The more indicators, even if I'm not here telling you say, Hey, I've got this strain that like, I know if I harvest it with 20% still white. Installs on it. It's different.

[00:36:57] Seth: And if I let it go, another four or five days. [00:37:00] Register those differences and really start logging it and then start attaching some of your post-production data in terms of your testing and everything else. And looking at that in relation to some of the variables you're looking at inside the. As well.

[00:37:15] Seth: But generally yeah, low temp generative steering is what's going to help you with herbs. And then also. One thing I've noticed is having the ability, especially on some strands to pull back that late flower nitrogen. That's going to push more vegetative growth. That's just going [00:37:30] to be encouraged the plant to produce more immature tricombs, which don't have the terpene profile we want. So also, you know, if you're getting into that boutique market,

[00:37:39] Seth: Start learning as much as you can about plant nutrition, how you can optimize that in your own feet. Because it's. And now we talk about nitrate quite a bit here. That's not the only thing that will influence this late. I mean, you've got a lot of micros. I play. And then, you know, balancing what you can actually do about it.

[00:37:58] Jason: You know, could have an interesting topic that[00:38:00] I got to watch a seminar on last year and that was a pest. Response. And they actually had did some tests for. They could get a little bit higher protein. Or terpene profile. When they induced some some past. Simulation. So kind of something might be fun to, to dig into and take a look as that plant develops its natural defenses.

[00:38:22] Kaisha: So it's kind of tricking the plant into thinking there's a predator. And the terpene production. Responds. [00:38:30] Accordingly.

[00:38:30] Jason: Yep. Yeah. There's some chemicals that they can use to induce that as well. Probably not. We can be using in a production. Right. But but yeah, I think like, like pruning.

[00:38:42] Jason: Are going to also do the same and response.

[00:38:47] Mandy: Wow. That's super interesting. I did not know that. Great questions coming in over on YouTube. I'm going to keep going down our list. Chuck Mangione. That's an awesome joke if that's not the real Chuck Mangione that's a great reference to king of the [00:39:00] hill. Hey guys, love the channel. The information you guys give is gold.

[00:39:04] Mandy: I'm a new grower and was wondering when crop steering going from generative to vegetative back to generative. Do you go from higher VPD back to lower VPD? And back to higher VPD. Or is it that you slowly ramp up the BPD and only worry about irrigation? That's his first question?

[00:39:23] Jason: Slowly ramp. It comes down to that.

[00:39:26] Jason: Vegetative generative alums that we do. You know, so when we're in [00:39:30] stacking in the beginning are there'll be PDs. I'd say one to 1.2 are going to be a little bit more vegetative leaning. Our irrigation with. But pushing pretty hard on generative. So that's kind of some of the balance that we're creating for the plant and through vegetative bulking, usually it'd be at that one, two to one for and then.

[00:39:47] Jason: Or ripening. Typically if you don't have issues with older Meldy, you can stay at that one, two to one four. If you have susceptibility to Those. Old mildews bacteria growth and it's good to [00:40:00] keep it up, up at that higher in. Higher end of that range there at one

[00:40:03] Seth: pour. Yeah. And it's I think you know, just to tag onto that one important thing to realize, and that's part of why VPD is actually so much more important than looking at your RH.

[00:40:14] Seth: As with VPD, we're not only looking at like, how does this. Ah, Moisture content and the content and pressure potential in the air effect. Transpiration the plant are also looking at how it affects water availability. To things like molds and bacteria. So for instance, you know, if I have [00:40:30] a environment that's over one point LBPD directly surrounding this mold spore.

[00:40:35] Seth: It's probably not going to be able to access water and actually grow if that spores and you know, whether it's on a cannabis plant or a paper towel. It is 0.6 VPD. Or any amount of time that sport can actually germinate and grow. And once that support germinates. That organism does have a little bit of action to be able to regulate its immediate environment somewhat. So that's what we're looking for is trying to reduce the availability of [00:41:00] water, especially in late flower to things like pet CT.

[00:41:03] Jason: And another thing on there as well as keeping the APD ideal helps us produce the healthiest planet, which is also gonna be more resistant to Any of our concerns there.

[00:41:14] Seth: Oh, absolutely. Your first best IPM is having healthy plants. Sure cleanliness and healthiness just like us. You live in a clean house, you take care of yourself. You don't get sick as much.

[00:41:27] Mandy: And rules to live by. Awesome. [00:41:30] We have more questions coming in, but I did want to get to seven. A poll that we posted earlier today. So we asked what's the best snack for the munchies and our answers were Doritos Cheetos, onions, and rolled gold pretzels.

[00:41:45] Mandy: So 38. Go ahead, sir.

[00:41:49] Mandy: Sorry, three dose one at 38%. Oh, would that buy a tie with Cheetos and rolled gold pretzels at 25% and then Funyuns at 12% off? Not a lot of [00:42:00] love for Funyuns. Yeah. What's your favorite

[00:42:02] Kaisha: monkey up? There are two verbatims are pretty great. Okay. The regular cheese or. I'm a cool ranch person. However, my number one, man, she is cashews, salty, cashews.

[00:42:14] Kaisha: That's

[00:42:14] Seth: healthy. If you've got not the DOT's pretzels yet, since we're on that second. No.

[00:42:22] Seth: He can't stop. No. I got some honey mustard ones last weekend.

[00:42:26] Kaisha: Oh, yeah. They're delicious. Oh, I know what I'm doing later. [00:42:30] I'll take note, peanut butter and a little local honey Yom. Just like off the spoon. Are you putting that on

[00:42:36] Seth: anything? It comes on there. And then they cook it in with the MSG. I'm pretty sure.

[00:42:41] Seth: All the goodness.

[00:42:43] Mandy: MSG stands for magic something. I don't know. I actually just like those munchy snacks, I think that it was just created for, it was just perfect.

[00:42:53] Kaisha: He goes right off the spoon gets right to the point. Sorry. Just wanted to clarify that.

[00:42:57] Jason: I used to be all about the ice cream. But then [00:43:00] sometimes. The top and not a bad experience. So you just gotta be and be careful doing that one.

[00:43:05] Mandy: We can't do that too much these days.

[00:43:07] Seth: Okay. Avocado based ice cream.

[00:43:10] Seth: All right, and changed my world.

[00:43:12] Jason: Oh,

[00:43:12] Mandy: well, I'm looking into that. It's good. I love that John. Give us your favorite munchie. Can you hear us? Cause he frozen. Okay.

[00:43:22] Jason: Can you hear me? I got you. I got to go with money buddies.

[00:43:27] Mandy: That sounds good. I can

[00:43:28] Seth: spot them [00:43:30] pretty backlit. Yeah, the checks. With chocolate and then powdered sugar and a lot of it.

[00:43:38] Kaisha: Oh, my

[00:43:39] Mandy: God. I love that. I love that. You guys.

[00:43:44] Mandy: It's clearly four 20. Sorry. Keep

[00:43:46] Kaisha: going.

[00:43:46] Seth: Fine. And you as John does that try it. And it just turned out like clumps of chocolate. Try it well, there's. We're still good. I mean, it'll just practice makes perfect. Anything we talk about on here.[00:44:00] That'd be four 20. How many.

[00:44:03] Seth: Turn this side, how to talk about Roy hardware. Because a lot of our people. A lot of our audience are non using it. Their home growers are, or just professionals who haven't gotten to that point yet. But we've been going through a firmware update and it requires us to replace. The gateway and it's go ahead to that at my house. And I turns out.

[00:44:25] Seth: And Jason, look it up. I have. Be first. [00:44:30] For a gateway of fifth version. And it looks like Jason. Hand carved. This out of mahogany. So it's very special.

[00:44:44] Seth: So again, Before 2010. That's about all I got for today. Thanks.

[00:44:48] Kaisha: Yeah, John, thank you so much. Appreciate that tip. Yeah. And actually our clients that they're, if you've never seen John before, but have talked to him that is who you're talking to. So love having our [00:45:00] teammates on here. Okay. I think we still got more action on YouTube, right Mandy.

[00:45:04] Mandy: Oh my gosh. I'm going to have to speed it up.

[00:45:05] Mandy: Okay. Chuck had another question. So I was also wondering, can you crop steer in soil as if you do in cocoa or Rockwool? I was wondering because in soil, the dry backs usually take longer and I was worried about root rot. I'm trying to crops you're in soil. I usually water until dry to prevent root rot. Thanks guys.

[00:45:25] Jason: Quick answer. Yes. Nope. Why you're seeing the, usually the [00:45:30] drawbacks take longer or you're getting less dry back in that same duration major, potential. You know, the substrate soil itself is hanging onto that water so that, you know, that plant might even be feeling a drought stressor. If we're getting too loud, depending on the composition of that substrate, that being said, optimizing your substrate size is going to be the absolute requirement here to do a good job with crab steering and that soil.

[00:45:53] Jason: And so, you know, if it is taken too long, we need to go in a smaller substrate and then go by

[00:45:58] Seth: the senior irrigation rules. [00:46:00] Yeah, I think a good way to look at this. If you're saying like, ah, yeah, Mikey. Ella soil mix. Number one, if you're listening to this podcast and you're growing plants in a pot.

[00:46:11] Seth: You're not using soil. And everything you're putting in a pot, it's a soilless mix at some point. So, you know, it's, when we're talking about everything except osmotic pressure, which is a lot tougher to manage, and let's say an organic soil situation. Otherwise what we're talking about here just has to do with soil physics and [00:46:30] you know, other than matrix potential, like I'm guessing in your soil mix that you're running, you probably don't have things like a high concentration.

[00:46:38] Seth: Hi, sand concentration. Usually we look at soil physics and the matrix potential and how that affects plant uptake. We're dealing with different soil particles, sizes, and then charge in between those different particles in the water itself.

[00:46:49] Seth: No one sells a mix in horticulture that has those problems. And if they did it, wouldn't last, very long on the market. So basically all your crops chain cues are going to be [00:47:00] the same. And the only difference would be like pot size. Our dry bag has taken forever because the pot's really big compared to the plant right back to that three and a half to five gallon pot with the.

[00:47:09] Seth: Three and a half to four. I'll plan on it. There's just not as much. Leaf surface area to transpire that much water out of it. So you can go with a smaller pot. And then, you know, from there, decide like, okay, I have soil. But am I feeding it nutrients? Okay. If I am, I just need to get some monitoring equipment in there and see what [00:47:30] the ISI and the routes on actually.

[00:47:32] Seth: If you're going full organic. Then we're looking at how long it takes different components to break down and become bioavailable. That's going to be tougher to capture with a sensor because we're looking at just that millimeter around the red surface, the rhizosphere. And that is where, you know, that organic art comes in. And usually I recommend if someone's going to grow organic.

[00:47:53] Seth: You know, things like compost teas. Administering and trying to administering them in an inside room and trying to monitor your, you see [00:48:00] that way it's going to be very tough at a commercial scale. So you might want to look at like, okay, What's my production process and how can I make it easier?

[00:48:07] Seth: So for a lot of organic producers or soil growers, actually going back to a bed type strategy and then adjusting plant count and size to accommodate. And your steering strategy is probably the way to go to get production.

[00:48:21] Jason: I like how you say the organic art? It is, well, it's science. It's just kind of more complicated than most of us can deal with.

[00:48:29] Seth: Exactly. [00:48:30] That's where that's why I say all right. It's very difficult and you're going to do a lot of calculations. You're going to have trial and error. And when we get to organics, generally a bigger media size is going to give us more buffer room. So we're looking at a little bit different crop steering strategy and how to optimize the rest of our production cycle around that.

[00:48:47] Jason: And I think probably for me, one of the biggest challenges in. You know, doing cannabis in an organic substrate is only what my compensation is round after round after round. You know, we're growing so fast [00:49:00] through here that there's stability of that soil through that organic breakdown. The creation of those new trans to the microbiome, microbes, and bacteria in the substrate and the soil.

[00:49:11] Jason: It's a tricky thing to rebalance your amendments so that the next cycle could be as equivalent as possible based on the timeline.

[00:49:18] Seth: Absolutely. And then if you know, if that's your soul calling. To grow organic cannabis. Build your business model around it. Realized that Hey, most of these organic methods, you know,

[00:49:28] Seth: Number one. Are [00:49:30] not generally as productive or, you know, dollar input. As some of our synthetic fertilizers are going to be. Number two, you're going to have a totally different production cycle. Cause you're probably not going to be in one gallon pods. If you want to have a good time. And then number three, you're going to deal with just like, guess what I'm saying?

[00:49:47] Seth: He's crop to crop differences in your soil, if you're planning back into it. So. You know, a production system like that has its place. Generally speaking, that's going to be where we come in from a traditional agricultural side saying, [00:50:00] how cheap can I do this? How can I do it with famous people and the minimal amount of labor, and then build your farm around that.

[00:50:07] Seth: If you buy a. Yeah. Quote, unquote Ferrari. I was actually always talked about, you know, there's a lot of people out there. Own and priorities. Ferrari's driving them like minivans. You don't even want that kind of comparison. It's organic. Ah, here we skip the Ferrari, go get an international or a John Deere. You know, that's kind of where we're at with that style of production.

[00:50:28] Seth: But it has a place. [00:50:30] If you can pull off, you know, let's say four people can pull off the same amount of canopy space as it would take 20 people doing a high intensity indoor operation. And your target is not necessarily a. You've diversified your business. You're like, Hey, we've got some sun-grown flour that we sell. We've got a lot of oil that we make.

[00:50:48] Seth: You know, you've diversified it's totally doable, but you've got to look at your business holistically and make sure that you've taken every step along the way to optimize that production practice. And [00:51:00] really, if you want to look into that lard. Look at some of the organic vegetable producers out there.

[00:51:04] Seth: Yeah. They're not always the most profitable, but there are quite a few businesses out there that have been in business a long time. Consider organic vegetable. And that's not by accident.

[00:51:14] Jason: So you're saying I might not have a good idea when I'm white labeling my organic product.

[00:51:20] Seth: Yeah, no, I get that premium for it.

[00:51:22] Seth: You know, I mean really, and, you know, maybe look at it like, what is the best application of this product? I personally know people [00:51:30] in the space that are looking at growing. You know, pretty much fully organically are fully organic and they're going all the oil. Just because that's the most practical business decision for them and oil. Usually these days, like they're trying to hit that Roslyn market and get a little bit more of that boutique premium.

[00:51:45] Seth: But, you know, You got to have an open mind, be adaptable and analyze the market for what it is, not what you hope it's going to be. You know, I think that if you haven't, if you've been in cannabis, you haven't taken that away over the last five to 10 years. You're kind of missing something as. [00:52:00] I don't think anyone's predicted like, Hey, my vision of the markets, exactly what happened. That's certainly not my case.

[00:52:06] Seth: And I know I'm not unique.

[00:52:09] Kaisha: Mikey dropped here in the chat, these clock, Coco. Cute. POC bad cocoa cubes have been fantastic for indoor production. Three to four harvest. Setup transplants and room loads a week requires uniformity.

[00:52:23] Mandy: It's great. Thanks. All right. I think we have time for a couple more questions from YouTube. Diane wants to know. [00:52:30] What do you guys suggest if we see mold during the harvest and how do we prevent it from spreading in the dry rooms?

[00:52:38] Jason: I mean, as the thing to do is something different next round.

[00:52:42] Seth: I'll just run it off real quick. Your raise your VPD in the last two weeks. Make sure you don't have any lights off swings where you're hitting below one point now. That below. At one point now for any amount of time overnight.

[00:52:54] Seth: So, what that might mean for a lot of people is like, Hey, I can only push 69 degrees overnight. Not 65. [00:53:00] Look for little things like that. It's your flushing. Stop killing your plan early and encouraging it to mold. And a jury see a little better. And then three. If, you know, you have mold.

[00:53:11] Seth: After you've harvested a particular strain for a certain time, you should be able to walk through and look for those telltale signs. You shouldn't have to break it up and then look at every night you see a curl leaf coming out, you know, that's train. That means old. A lot there. Cut it and bag it right away.

[00:53:25] Seth: Get that out, you know? Read a five days minimum before harvest so that stem can dry up a [00:53:30] little bit and not have a leaking SAP point to mold in the dry room. And then finally.

[00:53:36] Seth: I'm sure you're cleaning your dry room dying, but maybe not as well as what would be ideal. You know, I've found a lot of situations in farms where the dry room was kind of a last thought and putting together this big cultivation facility. And IGA and the dry room. Isn't always quite as nice as we'd like it to be in. Once we chop all those plants down. If we can, if that dry room stays too humid, or if it already has mold presence in it.

[00:53:58] Seth: It got plants that [00:54:00] we just hacked down, interactively dying. They're ready to mold. And another one too is if you're doing a. You know, a pre harvest strip. Don't do that just the day before harvest give it a few days use some scissors and then don't go super aggressively If you've got the base of a bud and you're ripping A leaf off event, you actually leave a little open SAP grip in it and then chop that plant the next day and hanging you'll go back and find mold on the buds where you pulled the leaf and actually scarred the base At that, But attaches to [00:54:30] the step that's an entrance point for Bolden. So when you're doing that strip Alan said, Hey. I know if i wound this plant get a lot of sap going i have entry points for mold infection If i don't And i don't but maybe now i have to deal with that extra biomass in my dryer so either i need to do that Defoliation a little earlier Or maybe upgrade the dryer MSL can handle that extra amount of vitamins

[00:54:56] Mandy: Sounds like it's always a balance Thanks for that. [00:55:00] Harp had a question I'm trying to understand generative growth I linked in the drive back to limit stretch do i now stay with that fertigation schedule to the end of the run to promote bulking

[00:55:14] Jason: No so usually for when we're running Generative We'll be The first two to four weeks and flower. And that's when you have those longer dry bag windows You know, Typically we're talking about you know 20 to 23 hours of a [00:55:30] drive back window and when we want to go in bulking we're going to switch that up to vegetative It's like Southwest santa earlier it Lansbury irrigations we're going to provide a growth response to the plant with that press oxygen Those. Those. fresh new transcend So having a good frequency of irrigations or much longer periods is going to cut our drive back window down to something like 16 hours or Or something like that and so that's going to be a different irrigation schedule for vegetative walking versus generative

[00:55:58] Seth: stacking Yeah when i [00:56:00] first started experiment with some of this stuff it's was a first for me and necessity of switching out my pot size we're really hitting almost like wow If my water a plant Just in the morning i get the shorter growth if i stretch that out Do you know for me it started with six and then eight and then 12 water lines throughout the day as we were pushing bigger plants and smaller pots now i'm seeing more and more of this vigorous group response Right. So basically a good way to think about it. if you really want to dumb it down Water just in [00:56:30] the morning for generative And for a vegetative little shots all day That's probably This way to start and see that response right in front of your face

[00:56:41] Mandy: Here we go. We love a quick rundown those were great questions everyone submitted over on youtube i think that we are all out of time so i am going to pass back to you Kaisha

[00:56:50] Kaisha: I'll send Mandy thank you everybody who submitted questions today for our four 20 episode, Seth and jason before we wrap it up today any words to [00:57:00] wish everybody that i to say to everybody on this high holiday

[00:57:03] Jason: Abby for 20, have fun you save I smoke

[00:57:06] Seth: lots. Yeah get out there and celebrate it's not even four 20 yet on the west coast so we'll just get the. the way of a smoker on across the country you know

[00:57:16] Kaisha: That's it yes For those of us who are fortunate enough to have access to this amazing plant we celebrate it. honor it Let's get the prisoners out of prison let's just keep this movement going. and i based in fact thank you so much for another great [00:57:30] session mandy thank you for co moderating with me producer chris thank you for the magic behind the scenes and i'm just gonna thank myself for growing this goodness which i will be enjoying later All right. All right. So to learn more about a Roya, be sure to check out our demos you can go ahead and sign up for a demo one of our experts will walk you through all the ways Araya can help improve your cultivation and production process Thank you everybody who joined us for today's episode of aura opposites we do this every thursday and the best way [00:58:00] to get answers is From the experts is to join us live if there's a topic you'd like covered a future session feel free to post questions Anytime via the roy app feel free to drop them in the chat send us an email at support.aroya@metergroup.com or send us an instagram dm or we are actually on all the socials linkedin social clubs and don't forget on instagram we have a contest going right now so you're going to want to enter that for somewhere, right merge We record every session we'll email everyone in attendance a link to the video [00:58:30] from today's conversation It will also live on the aurora youtube channel like subscribe and share while you're there and if you find these conversations helpful please do spread the word thanks so much everybody and happy Four 20 again See you next

[00:58:41] Seth: time Nice Ford guys