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[00:00:00] Kaisha: And friends welcome to office hours, your source for free cannabis cultivation education. I'm Kaisha I'm one of your co moderators today. What's going on, Mandy.

[00:00:09] Mandy: Hey, Kaisha. Hey everyone. We're here for episode 69. Sorry. We're excited to be here with you all today. We're also going live over on YouTube. So if you're logging out over there, make sure you send us your questions and I'll get those to the team. If you're active on social media.

[00:00:24] Mandy: Be sure you're following us on all the platforms. So we're on Instagram, Tik, TOK, YouTube, LinkedIn, and social club. [00:00:30] And quick reminder about the MGAs. We're calling on you to nominate us Aurora office hours for cannabis podcasts of the year for the MJ international cannabis awards. Oh, that's an apple.

[00:00:40] Mandy: Yes, that will be happening during MJ biz con this year. So I'm going to go ahead and post the link to be able to do that in our chats for you guys right after this. And that'll also be on our social and we really appreciate the support you guys. All right. Let's not forget why we're here. We got a ton of cross string questions this week, so let's get right to it back over to you, Kaisha.

[00:00:59] Kaisha: Thank you Mandy. [00:01:00] And thanks y'all for showing us some love and getting this nominated for an MJ. We appreciate you. If you are live with us here and have a question, feel free to type it in the chat at any time. And a good question gets picked. We'll have you either a meet yourself or we will ask for you, Seth and Jason are both in the house today, gentlemen, how are you?

[00:01:16] Seth: Okay. Yeah, pretty good. Beautiful weather out today. Yeah.

[00:01:21] Kaisha: Not bad too. Cause I'm from California. Weather's good. All around. Excellent. All right. Ready for the first question. We have some [00:01:30] unused questions from the last couple of weeks, I'm going to start with this one from Cal pharma, Jake.

[00:01:34] Kaisha: They wrote in, I wider my soil bed constantly was 6.0 pH. When I checked my soil today, the pH in the soil was hitting around 4.5 and almost every greenhouse. Obviously I'd made sure my blue lab probe was calibrated. Any idea why my pH in the soil is so low, I'm going to water with 7.0 tomorrow and see if I can bring it back up. Your thoughts.

[00:01:56] Jason: Oh, if it's true. Yeah. Living soil, true soil. There could [00:02:00] be a lot of factors going on in there. It could be some amendments that are breaking down or are being released in it. Yeah. I've made her amount of time and, or it'd be with the way that the microbes are interacting with that soil on there that could

[00:02:14] Seth: be dropped.

[00:02:16] Seth: Yeah, a lot of it's just going to have to do with what kind of soil you're running, what is the media is about? And amended coco mix, something that has a little bit of cat ion exchange capacity. So like it's actually holding on to things. And the other thing too, I guess that really. [00:02:30]

[00:02:30] Seth: And I like got my attention. It's just beds. If you're watering a bed, are you, what is the runoff situation? Are we hitting, a sizable percentage of runoff at all? And if not, if there is no runoff, we'll generally expect to see pH creep down over time. As the plan is feeding.

[00:02:50] Kaisha: I said thank you guys. Yeah. Good luck, California. Jake, let us know what's going on. All right, I'm gonna keep on getting in here. We got a few question in questions in from poppy grows. [00:03:00] One. First off they wrote. So first off love, love the show. The knowledge you guys drop is beyond legendary. Appreciate you. Poppy grows.

[00:03:06] Kaisha: All right. Our first question is, do you benefit from organic inputs weekly when using a crop salt, a and B as a base?

[00:03:17] Jason: I think we went over this one a couple of weeks ago, but basically it comes down to, is your media. Alive. No, it did. Synthetic nutrients. Aren't going to harm any of the microbials that are going on in [00:03:30] there, unless you're at a. Extremely high. Amount of ISI in there. A lot of times if you're going into something like rockwool or coco, that doesn't have any substantial amount of organic light in there, then.

[00:03:41] Jason: You may or may not have anything that's going to support those

[00:03:44] Seth: biologicals. Yeah, you just need to make sure that you are actually, Being able to use them, not just flush them down the drain, basically. Weekly application can be good. And then, one thing I always think about we're talking organics is if you look at a compost tea or something like that,

[00:03:59] Seth: You're going to be better [00:04:00] off either hand applying or having a separate system and not pushing it through your general drip irrigation. That's how a lot of people end up with really inconsistent and clogging letters across the room. So there can be benefits, but it's all, a matter of scale and how efficiently.

[00:04:15] Seth: Efficiently, you can apply those organic nutrients. If it takes you a lot of time to do that, you might not see any kind of premium on it. In every situation. To Jason's point. Even if you are running a living soil type mix and [00:04:30] you're supplementing. With salt nutrients. One or two extreme dry backs below a certain point can really kill most of the microbial life in that soil.

[00:04:39] Seth: So it's a balancing act and it's not something that I typically would say is always necessary, but at the same time, we do see plenty of people that do that and, have good results from it. It's just a fairly labor intensive is what it really comes down to.

[00:04:56] Kaisha: Fantastic. Great. So consider considerations for [00:05:00] organic inputs. Awesome. All right. I think we have some live questions about bar on YouTube, Mandy. What's happening.

[00:05:05] Mandy: Yeah, thanks everyone for the questions. Dan has one about irrigation. What kind of irrigation strategy do you recommend for the last day before harvest?

[00:05:18] Jason: Usually it's just going to be like your typical ripening. Schedule's going to be.

[00:05:22] Seth: Yeah, you want to keep that plant pretty, stable right up until the time that you cut it. If. I know it's always tempting, at least, for me in the past [00:05:30] sometimes. Hey, let's not water this morning on the harvest day. It is going to take all day and yes, as pots are going to be heavy to move out. But for the last part of the room for one.

[00:05:40] Seth: Apart, we're going to harvest in the afternoon. We might actually see some wilting plants sometimes if you've got too small of a media, so generally just keep them stable. Keep running your genitive ripening schedule right up to harvest day.

[00:05:52] Mandy: I'm trying to keep them stable growers. Oh,

[00:05:54] Jason: did you wanna say something? I was just going to say that being said, if you're going to miss irrigating one day on [00:06:00] accident. They get that day.

[00:06:02] Seth: Yeah. A good thing to remember is you want to harvest that plant is healthy. As possible at the time. If it's on the verge of wilting, when you're harvesting it, it's going to reduce quality. Most likely.

[00:06:13] Mandy: Some super important things to keep in mind. All right. I think it's that's it for YouTube for now? Back over to you, Kaisha

[00:06:19] Kaisha: and tantric. Thank you, Mandy. All right, Papi grows wine. Had a second question here. They were wondering, what's your take on harming? Is it a growers error or a breeders?

[00:06:29] Kaisha: Are your thoughts on that? [00:06:30]

[00:06:30] Jason: Oh, it demands both factors. A lot of genetics are much more susceptible to Herms. A lot of them. Even if there's just the slightest amount of plant stressors, you're going to start to bend in. I just slightly that being said. Prolific hurting.

[00:06:43] Jason: But people call bananas sometimes because I like that term better. And it's really typically going to be showing. A lot more often when the plants are stressed.

[00:06:53] Seth: Yeah. It's like an allergist and it really is both, one thing to remember with cannabis is, like most plants, it does have hermaphroditic [00:07:00] tendencies, most plants that flower. Do you have both male and female parts?

[00:07:04] Seth: Humans have just spent the last 10 plus thousand years making sure they could separate that factory in cannabis. We see in natural populations. Arrange. Of plants that, some of them are more dioecious. Some of them are more hermaphrodite, it's just a factor that we have to deal with anytime, especially like doing Fino, Hans and stuff that kind of, stuff's going to pop up. And what I'd start to look at is are we dealing with those late flower bananas?

[00:07:29] Seth: That [00:07:30] usually more of a late flower stressing or is it something like we're seeing actual pollen, SACS developing. On the plants and the foreseeing pawn sacks. Usually that's leaning more towards a. I'm not going to say breeder error, but an inherited genetic trait. And a lot of those plants that do express those will oftentimes do it,

[00:07:49] Seth: at one facility they'll express that not another, they won't. Due to differences. Like one, one facility is running hid. One facility is running Leb that at different temperatures in the rooms, [00:08:00] different airflow. There's a lot of factors that can go into that. For, most of your typical commercial producers.

[00:08:06] Seth: When you've got a strain doing that. You can look at a few different things, but if it, if you have a room and that one strain is the only thing that's harming, especially if it's thrown pollen sacks. It might not be. Really a good idea to keep growing that genetic, unless you're getting enough of a premium for that, you could say dedicate a whole room to

[00:08:25] Kaisha: monocrop.

[00:08:29] Kaisha: Nice. Great [00:08:30] advice, guys. Thank you so much. All right. We got a ride in from Dino. My question is I'm growing in one gallon coco with a field capacity of around 52%. I'm using two points, 33 GPH emitters per plant. I'm struggling to hit field capacity without runoff. It seems I start run out. If the shots are larger than my 1.5% intern making my P one.

[00:08:55] Kaisha: Three hours to complete while also trying to steal generatively [00:09:00] also have trouble stacking ISI because of this. Thank you. What would you advise Dino? To do.

[00:09:07] Jason: Oh, just to start off with, great setup as far as the parameters that you're working with. One of the things that you might try to do is if you can get a 60% volumetric water content, oh, go. That's one of my favorites in.

[00:09:18] Jason: And in a one Yellen, especially if I'm granting mid to large sized plants And that might be one option to try and pursue probably one of the things that could be happening there. It's just you getting so much. Volume in there that some of [00:09:30] that coco is skipping and trapped and it's having a harder time getting up to saturation.

[00:09:34] Jason: It's capacity.

[00:09:35] Seth: Yeah. That's something I know I've encountered in the past is especially in a one gallon over vegging. And if you're flipping let's say a three foot tall plant and the flower, a lot of times that plants pre root bound. Even, three weeks into flower.

[00:09:47] Seth: And to Jason's point, those roots just completely fill out most of the poor space in that Coco. And that's why even in a really well-balanced heavily steered Coco. Situation, we're still going to see, typically see that field [00:10:00] capacity start to, decrease during the last two weeks of flowers that plants really approaching,

[00:10:04] Seth: Completely filling that media.

[00:10:10] Kaisha: Awesome. Thank you guys. Dino. Good luck out there. Keep us posted just to remind her y'all. If you want to get some of your questions answered live now's the time. So be sure to drop them in the chat and over on YouTube. Okay. Hang bugs wrote in. Thanks a lot for all the great insight. I. I literally had been watching office hours for about a week straight trying to fix our [00:10:30] SOP. And it's been really good.

[00:10:31] Kaisha: We still would be happy if you could tell us why our hard drive back there and ripening reduces field capacity. As said on one of the episodes, a little insight into that would be goal.

[00:10:41] Seth: Thanks.

[00:10:43] Jason: I guess it just depends on how hard to drive back and what your media is. Usually what we always talked about on here is with Rockwool.

[00:10:51] Jason: If we get below. He was around 35%. It was a hard time coming back up. And it just has to do with the fact that when rockwool [00:11:00] was initially went up, we are watching the wedding agents out of that product. And those wedding agents are what allows the block to be stored and sold. And then still get up to field capacity is it's allowing them.

[00:11:11] Jason: Order to wick into all the poorest basin in the rock wall. And so if we drop below, say 35%. 35%. Usually for most raffles. Then it it'll start channeling, you'll get dry sections in the

[00:11:23] Seth: Bach or slab.

[00:11:26] Seth: Yeah. And, even when, if it's coco too, that goes right back to what we just talked about. A lot of [00:11:30] times that root mass is just really filling that coco out. And also depending on your coco mix, sometimes you've got pretty. Pretty wide range. You've got bigger chunks and smaller pith pieces. Sometimes that Pitt has a tendency to just settle in, wash out a little bit over time as well.

[00:11:45] Seth: So it's, if you're in coco, it's not really anything to worry about. Just watch out on those are dry bags to make sure you're not going anywhere near wilting point or. Spiking that ECT too high. That's usually how we try to guide how far to push those dry bags during ripening, before we bring in a [00:12:00] maintenance shot.

[00:12:02] Jason: Coco's it's typically much more per giving. Like I said, We it's not necessarily going to permanently disrupt how the Coco can perform, but a lot of times it will take a few days to actually get back up. So if we have drought to drive the coco back to say 5%, maybe. 10%.

[00:12:20] Jason: That stuff's so dry that it's just gonna take a long time for it to get up to field capacity again. And basically a lot of times that won't happen with your typical P one irrigations that [00:12:30] you might've been running. I was like to think about if you're. The desert and that sand is really dry. And if you spent the sand, it just rolls across the top.

[00:12:37] Jason: Same kind of thing. Substrates that are already in some amount of a water content are going to soak up water better. Anything that's really dry is going to have some types of hydrophilic properties.

[00:12:48] Seth: Oh, yeah. If you're just throwing those coco blocks into a tub of water, it'll sit there and flow for a long time.

[00:12:53] Seth: Before it actually wakes up, starts waking up all the water. That's part of why too, we always stress. Be patient when you're [00:13:00] hydrating your media initially. And just work that into your SRP. Like it's going to take a few hours to properly hydrate this media initially. And.

[00:13:09] Seth: Personally, I'm like running around the greenhouse. When I did have a dripper dripper fail or something like that. With the coco, you just get a tray or a small bucket, fill it with your nutrients foolish and let that block sit in there for a few minutes. Walk away, do something else. Don't forget it in there.

[00:13:24] Seth: But obviously. That's not so easy to do on a full room unless you happen to have [00:13:30] flood trays just in case you drive.

[00:13:33] Kaisha: Mikey dropped our good friend, Mike, he dropped in the comments here. I'm a big fan of the pith. Cubes, the strand cubes build ISTE too quickly. And the pair of the pods just don't hold enough. Water rate. Yeah. Love that. Thank you, Mikey. The community sharing here. Alright, Mandy, what's happening on our YouTube.

[00:13:51] Mandy: Oh, man, we're getting some discussion over there. Gigi wants to know. I'm growing in my attic with crazy high temperatures, 40 degrees [00:14:00] Celsius with LEDs. I haven't seemed to be okay with it though, but I lost the smell. I was thinking about ice cubes every night at flush. Would that save a bit of my terpene? And what do you guys think?

[00:14:11] Seth: By an air conditioner. That's I wish I had something better to say, but yeah, when you start to hit those high tamps, You basically just gas off any terms that the plant produces, they're not retained.

[00:14:25] Mandy: Oh, man, that's rough. He came back with impossible to get the room cold. The roof is terribly Isla. [00:14:30] Insulated.

[00:14:32] Seth: Yeah. That's, I. Everyone starts with their gen one and it's just start working it out from there right now. I don't know if the. Ice would do much. Running something like a swamp cooler. That's just going to bring your humidity up to help deal with that high heat. And then also it gets me bad, creative cooling going on. That might be your only option, but now you're going to be dealing with a very humid environment to keep that VPD.

[00:14:55] Seth: As well, so I feel free, man. That's a tough situation to be in and. [00:15:00]

[00:15:01] Seth: You said you learned from every run. So once this one comes down, Next one. Might be time to try to look around and see if he can invest a little more into your equipment.

[00:15:10] Jason: It's a lot of times we've gone through challenges, no basement grower challenges. Ms. Case, I think you're a little bit higher. And your attic or challenges.

[00:15:20] Seth: Yeah.

[00:15:20] Seth: The very opposite of trying to get the basement above 70 degrees.

[00:15:26] Mandy: I actually was a great notes and guests, please do keep us posted with that one. [00:15:30] PG. We got another question that came in from trees. Should I flush Coco?

[00:15:37] Seth: No. Yeah. Nope, no real need to just make sure you can actually monitor your niece. She's, really where that whole practice came from initially. Part of it. Is, the belief that we need to pull nutrients out of the plant, which is not really true. But

[00:15:51] Seth: Going back to before anytime you had enough visibility on what was going on inside the root zone. But that's just like running high. You sees without any visibility, you're [00:16:00] flirting with danger a lot of the times. So in Coco, if you would have been like, let's say. And watering as you think the plants need it. And let's say, Jason.

[00:16:09] Seth: Runs way more runoff than I run. So suddenly if he's pushing an adequate amount of runoff, as ECS are in check, if I haven't been pushing my turn off or let's say I haven't been making sure my irrigation schedule is adequate. My, my C might be built up excessively high. By the time I hit ripening and started pushing deep dry backs.

[00:16:28] Seth: Sometimes the easiest way [00:16:30] to deal with that is to flush it out. But that's not necessarily ideal. And one thing to always remember to, if you're at a, let's say a six to 14 range on your UC. During ripening, if you suddenly flush that out, we completely change that as biotic equation.

[00:16:45] Seth: And the rhizosphere right around the roots. Now the plant has to work. To try to change that. And it's not a thing it can do very quickly at all.

[00:16:55] Mandy: Awesome. Thank you guys for that. Peter has a question. I'm using no [00:17:00] till organic living soil. 200 gallon. In a four by eight bed. How could a crops during strategy look like for me, Is it better to adjust temps instead of messing with soil, moisture, content and tension. What do we think?

[00:17:15] Jason: Yeah. Temperatures are definitely going to be a lot easier to control. However you can play with osmotic potential and something like living soil start to make sure that you're getting the correct amendments at the right time to release a certain amounts of nutrient availability.[00:17:30]

[00:17:30] Jason: So it just comes down to a planning game.

[00:17:32] Seth: That is, and then also just a. What kind of emitters are using your irrigation, traditionally a lot of people were using, something like the Octa bubbler, that's fairly high rate. If you're at 20 gallons per hour, we're putting on a big shot.

[00:17:45] Seth: Fairly quickly and that bigger bed can pick it. But you can also look at what the vegetable growing world does. And that's. That's why we are using dripping low flow drip emitters in cannabis. Not only for the crop steering aspect, but if you can slow down that irrigation rate. [00:18:00] And break it up into more irrigations. You can still pulse that. It's just what the bed you're going to have a narrower range and living soil in general.

[00:18:07] Seth: Just like talking about it earlier, if you overdrive that bed, you're going to kill a lot of the biology in it. So you're going to be stuck in depending on what your consistency is like. I'm not looking at your data in front of me, but you might be in a. 25 to 40. 25 to 40% volumetric water content ranger, maybe even narrower might be 25 to 32 because that bed is so big.

[00:18:28] Seth: Depending on how big your plan is. [00:18:30] Might not need that much, but you can still crop steer inside of those small ranges. It's just going to take. Very smaller irrigations and a lot of them.

[00:18:39] Seth: And

[00:18:39] Jason: w one thing you might take a look at as well as just thinking about matrix potential of the substrate of the. The soil that to work and with and getting an idea of where your Your critical points are as far as what might start to will, especially if you are trying to push some of those strategies.

[00:18:54] Seth: Yeah. And then also just how you're handling your living soil. If you're using fermented inputs, are you [00:19:00] feeding it? Now, what are you feeding? Is it mostly compost teas or are you amending that bed? With strategy so that you've got, the right nutrients sitting at the right time.

[00:19:10] Seth: So there's a few different ways to go about it. Generally though, it's hard to make. Big steering differences in a bed. Right off the bat. I would give it some practice, come up with a plan and say, Hey, I'm going to try to go. More generative or more vegetative at a certain time.

[00:19:25] Seth: You're going to try to bulk, let's try to bull, but you're going to have to stick to an [00:19:30] irrigation schedule that whole time. If it's eight smaller irrigations throughout the day. You're going to have to do that entire time in any of these irrigation strategy we talk about as well,

[00:19:40] Seth: if you can't follow the directions the whole way through, and you're not going to get the results you're looking for. Typically,

[00:19:47] Mandy: thank you for that. Peter did come back with a little bit more information. Actually sub irrigation plus light, top watering. I don't know if we want to add to that.

[00:19:56] Seth: It's still the same thing. It's about how slowly you can deliver [00:20:00] that and how how you can pulse it. So like with your sub irrigation. I'm not totally familiar with how quickly and how much water you're going to be putting on with that setup. That could be. Is it a buried soaker hose? What, what exactly are we looking at there? There's a lot of.

[00:20:14] Seth: I'm a huge amount, but a few different situations I can think of. And a lot of times sub irrigation is used and certainly a bigger bed situation. But yeah, it's going to go right back to that pulsing and. I would probably tend to stick. If you're outdoors, the sub irrigation is going to be more water efficient. [00:20:30]

[00:20:30] Seth: But going with the drip system from the top is part of what gets us, that routes stimulation. That's the ag action that water moving downward. Through the soil. So the more that you can have happening the better as well. You want that reads on to say very oxygenated, fresh.

[00:20:48] Mandy: Got for those roots. Awesome questions, everyone. We're getting more over on YouTube. Sorry, main wants to know. I steer strictly gen only for quality. At the expense of healed. What key [00:21:00] WEC are you aiming to hit throughout flowers, specifically for quality?

[00:21:06] Jason: Usually when I'm looking at. The success of a generative strategy on typically looking about the low ISI to the high EDC, what are the dynamics? What is the amount of ECE change? And usually I hire that easy changes within reasonable ranges. The more affective or the more generative.

[00:21:24] Jason: The planning response is going to

[00:21:25] Seth: be. Yeah. We like to see the, usually at minimum afforded a five point [00:21:30] swing and it can go all the way up to eight or nine. Not a big deal. Some people push it a lot further than that. The dangerous thing about playing with that too much. Those you can really affect plant growth in terms like that's going right back to the Herm issue earlier running to.

[00:21:42] Seth: late and flowers. Very well associated with hermaphrodite implants. And As far as those values go. That's going to depend on how high you can get your PPFD, whether you're running hid or led, and then how much CO2 you have, Everything has to be in liner on those hypotheses and actually [00:22:00] have the plant take advantage of it.

[00:22:01] Seth: If you don't have. CO2 supplementation, for instance, then you can't turn your lights up above. 800, 900. There's really no point. You're just wasting power at that point. And then also, if there's not enough CO2, the plant doesn't need as much nutrients because it's not photosynthesizing nearly as much.

[00:22:21] Seth: So just things to think about everything is interdependent. In the grill room.

[00:22:28] Seth: Awesome

[00:22:28] Mandy: knowledge, everyone that we're [00:22:30] still getting questions over on YouTube. I'm so curious has another question. He was the person who asked about flushing and Coco. But what if I don't water to run off during the grow? Would I benefit from using straight water? The last few waters?

[00:22:44] Jason: Okay. I don't know how much she'd benefit, fortunately with. Coco, you can. Get away with running aro for a couple of days. I wouldn't recommend it though. Yeah. And

[00:22:56] Seth: typically you would want to be pushing some runoff earlier on, That's part of the

[00:22:59] Seth: [00:23:00] One of the fundamental problems with growing and a small media is that there's only so much space and this is a fairly nerdy media. So it doesn't have any pH buffering capacity. So in that case, I would really be looking at plant health because there's a reason this is all called drain waste. And that's that there are things that need to come out of that blog.

[00:23:17] Seth: It's at pH creeps down low, then you're going to start to see, The classic level. Lockout is what a lot of people have called it before, but basically general deficiency across all of your nutrients at a low pH state. So I would really [00:23:30] encourage you to try to push a little bit of runoff and try to start testing your pH.

[00:23:33] Seth: At least, once or twice a week at the minimum. And that's going to help you have a lot more control. You're easy and the roots down and, obviously plant health pH are very closely tied together.

[00:23:46] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. I think I'm going to pass it back to Kaisha. We had a couple of questions that came

[00:23:50] Kaisha: in.

[00:23:53] Kaisha: Fantastic. Thank you, Mandy. Yeah, on him popping on YouTube and actually landed in the Atlantis, dropped their question, but I had submitted it previously, [00:24:00] so I wanted to go ahead and ask it in a little bit of a new way, because we seem to have beginning quite a few questions around working with organic living soil today.

[00:24:07] Kaisha: Landon wanted to know like how to diff how does. Crop steering in organic living, living soil differ from crop steering in hydro. And specifically around irrigations, according to pot size, that's what they wanted to. Get a little more insight into,

[00:24:23] Jason: yeah First off of, it's not going to happen nearly as fast.

[00:24:26] Jason: When we talk about medias and how reactive [00:24:30] they are to the strategies that were being applied. Something like that. rockwool, obviously easy is going to change very quickly. If we're trying to do somebody strategies in a smaller substrate, if we're in a 200 gallon, like we're talking about.

[00:24:42] Jason: Depending on how many plants we have in there. We're not going to have nearly the amount of water loss just based on a percentage of $200. And so it I personally would say it's more difficult just because. The, our feedback loops are going to have to be planned out and strategized by when we're doing these applications [00:25:00] of

[00:25:00] Jason: Crop steering techniques, if you will. Yeah, it. It's going to take some planning and kind of might even take you a few cycles, whereas sometimes in a more reactive medias, we can. Use that feedback and make an improvement for the next day.

[00:25:15] Seth: Yeah. In terms of people running, Having success with living soil, societies and crops. During the biggest thing I see is finding an appropriate pot size. That'll still allow you to get a dry back. What is the plant height that you can work with? If you want to do this and still be inside of a five gallon or smaller pot?[00:25:30]

[00:25:30] Seth: If it's. I have downs. Excuse me, it's gonna be fairly large. It. You want to dial it because at this point you're not using your input, ISI your salt, going in to really control your ECE at all. You're relying on the biology happening in the soil. So really the biggest effect that you can have as a cultivator in terms of perhaps cheering on those plants is going to be your irrigation strategies.

[00:25:51] Seth: And just like Jason said, that's going to vary wildly depending on how much biomass you have pulling out of what size of pot you have. So if you have [00:26:00] 200 plants in a bed and each plan effectively has three gallons of media. We might see a reasonable dry back. If there's some larger plants. If we have that same bed and all the plants are half the size.

[00:26:12] Seth: We might not see much dry back in effect. We will be pushing it very generatively the whole time.

[00:26:19] Seth: And

[00:26:19] Jason: that's because we're going to be waiting for so long between each irrigations to try and achieve that. Try back. That's significant dry bag.

[00:26:28] Kaisha: Thank you guys at Landon posted [00:26:30] a couple of follow-ups here. Also, I had that three starter lead auto top plant in my garden. I don't expect the auto top mutation to go to clowns, but if the three leads, three branches. Do you pass on how commercially viable is it assuming it produces quality flour?

[00:26:47] Kaisha: When you guys think.

[00:26:49] Seth: It depends on your yield market and what kind of a premium you can get for it. That's where it's at. We see people. With sale prices inside the same state, we use California for an example, We're still [00:27:00] seeing some super low prices time.

[00:27:01] Seth: Five and 600 a pound range, unfortunately, but that also ranges with people in the same area, getting all the way up to 1800, 2000 and up. We're not seeing $4,000 pounds typically anymore, but There are some growers that have been able to start choosing like, Hey, do I want to get this strain out?

[00:27:17] Seth: At 1800, I'll take the yield hit. Cause my premium is so good compared to this other strain. That's just blown out and overgrown in the market. We all know the hype around new strains all the time. And each one seems to have [00:27:30] some fluctuation in price, as it's rare, then it's popular, then it's,

[00:27:35] Seth: Just there's too much of it in the market. And then we see that cycle continue. So I think that's a whole A whole side of this whole game that people need to really like, think about and do a lot of planning for. You've got to ride that line between what's popular in the market. And what can I do to be still unique? Because obviously like right now, west coast runs are huge.

[00:27:56] Seth: We're seeing all these different runs crosses, but. Having [00:28:00] runs on your packaging and over 30% THC. Or two pretty important things to move products sometimes. Really looking at your market and figuring out what is appropriate is I think one of the most important things, and we can even extend that all the way in the other direction

[00:28:13] Seth: We've got people that are growing. And quite a few different ways, but in greenhouses, low input style sheerly for hash production. In that case Do they look at yield of course, but they may not be quite as concerned about. Putting out quite as high [00:28:30] quality of flour. Or,

[00:28:32] Seth: That might be a little more okay. With those fluctuating yields in the greenhouse, but for them in that situation, That is that's the move. It's just adjusting to what your little slice of the market is and figuring out how you can economize all that.

[00:28:45] Kaisha: I'll come comes down to the target outcome. Landon. Good luck. Keep us posted. Mandy, sending it back to you.

[00:28:53] Mandy: Oh, my gosh, it is popping. If that is an understatement, you guys, it is like really going on over there. All wants to know. And I [00:29:00] love this question, Coco or Rockwool, which is easier for crops.

[00:29:04] Mandy: Which is easier to cross your for beginners.

[00:29:06] Seth: Okay. Yes, Coco. In fact, anyone who is trying, if you're moving to a smaller pot, if you're traditionally in a big media, like back to the 20, 5200 gallon stuff outside, and you want to try crop steering inside. Start with a two gallon coco pot.

[00:29:22] Seth: Because one of the hardest things to get right off the bat, especially if you're coming from different style is just how small you're going to be flipping these plants.[00:29:30] Especially if you have, your high PPFD lights, too, and everything else in line, it's easy to overgrow the small pods.

[00:29:36] Seth: And also Coco, we'd talk about it all the time. It's got that forgiveness. If your irrigation system fails, you're not necessarily going to lose your crop. You've got a little bit more time to play with.

[00:29:48] Seth: We love it.

[00:29:49] Mandy: Comment a question. Do you like to keep moms in a vegetative or generative state or switch back and forth, maybe vege when you know, you'll be taking cuts [00:30:00] in the next couple of days, ECT. Etc.

[00:30:04] Jason: Most of the time you are going to be in somewhat more vegetative getting to the balanced point is going to be something that might get you a little bit more nodes. To take cuttings off of. But typically we are trying to create as much biomass as fast as possible.

[00:30:17] Jason: And when we look at the purpose of a generative versus vegetative is encouraging the growth of stalks stems and leafy material. More of that we can have usually the more consumers get off

[00:30:29] Seth: a plant. [00:30:30] Yep. And that's why, we're seeing trend in the industry and I know I always push it.

[00:30:34] Seth: Moving away from the traditional 10, 15 gallon mom pot in coco in the room and getting more towards, that's actually one of the Appalachians I like using you guys for instance, cause you can crop out a decent size mom fairly quickly. If you're turning them over and it's a.

[00:30:49] Seth: You're going to be watering it vegetatively all the time. Anyways. And in terms of moms, I think that's something too. Really consider if you're keeping your mom for three plus months, and especially if it's in [00:31:00] a big pot, a lot of times that pot can Harbor soil-borne diseases. And pests. So it's, there's a lot of good reasons to make sure you're rotating your mom's frequently enough.

[00:31:11] Seth: And trying to find the appropriate pot size and irrigation strategy, because, to Jason's point, we want to have fast lush growth and a lot of it. I'm in a big pot with a plant that is not nearly that big or the pots, just so oversized that we'd need a 30 foot weed plant to get the ratio.

[00:31:27] Seth: We're not going to see. Very much. [00:31:30] Steerability at all.

[00:31:30] Jason: I don't have the interesting thing that Has. Always been a successful trend that since I started growing is we just keep seeing bigger and bigger clothes. And so you have typically. If we can. Kind of 600 clone or so we're going to shave some time off the amount of.

[00:31:44] Jason: Veggie time required or to get that pint size to flip.

[00:31:49] Seth: Absolutely. Quicker growth. Bigger plants. As long as you're not dealing with hollow stems or something like that. And there is a point where I planned is too big, but. A slightly bigger clown will route [00:32:00] better. If that clones right up, just buried near the down, when you put that on that's perfect. But if it's only four inches tall,

[00:32:07] Seth: The plant's. Got it. It's got that much more to grow. And I don't know, in my experience. I just see better rooting in slightly bigger phones.

[00:32:17] Mandy: Awesome. Came back with a little bit more info. Yeah. I want to try one gallon mom's with frequent rotations. So sounds like they're on the right path, right?

[00:32:26] Seth: Yep. That sounds pretty good to me.

[00:32:29] Mandy: Sweet. [00:32:30] Awesome. Thanks everyone for the questions over there, make sure you enter our poll while it's still live.

[00:32:34] Mandy: Iron armor had a question. If you end up drawing back to around 20% water content and slabs and say you're only able to reach a field capacity of around 45%. What's a good way to rehydrate the slab without having a big AC swing.

[00:32:50] Jason: I'm not sure I really know of any good way to rehydrate it.

[00:32:54] Seth: Yeah, I keep, just keep it wet. Keep it up that 45 and don't let it drop down below 35 again.[00:33:00]

[00:33:00] Jason: It's tough because when that happens, I was actually dealing with it today with the appliance. You didn't run out of the ability to steer generatively.

[00:33:07] Jason: So if this happens early on in the cycle we're just not going to be able to do. One or two hour irrigation window would say 22 hours of dry back is just not a possibility anymore. And so that's a real significant challenge with was pushing rockwool too low. Yeah. We missed the irrigation on accident.

[00:33:24] Jason: We just haven't had enough time to keep an eye on how fast our transpiration rates are increasing. All that [00:33:30] stuff can be a liability as it's way. rockwool's a high maintenance, high performance product.

[00:33:35] Seth: Absolutely. I know.

[00:33:36] Seth: I don't like running it without fairly sophisticated irrigation control that I know I can count on. Yeah, I would probably look around the facility and say why did that hard drive back occur? Why did it get over drive? Was it a failed event? With something broken. Was it that the controller you're using your irrigation set up just takes too much time and it's too much of a pain. So it's really easy to go a day or two.

[00:33:57] Seth: Without checking on it and adjusting. Probably try to [00:34:00] pinpoint. Really nailed down why it happened. Hopefully it's as simple as like something was just turned off.

[00:34:07] Seth: If you've got a fundamental problem that it's just difficult to get everything done in your facility might consider switching to Coco.

[00:34:17] Mandy: Those are great notes. Yes. An iron armor. Please let us know how that goes. That is it for the questions on YouTube for now. So I'll pass it back to Kaisha for our Instagram queues.

[00:34:27] Kaisha: Fantastic. Thank you so much, Mandy. I actually I'm going to [00:34:30] pull up. We have a blog post about choosing between Coco versus workflow block. rockwool we'll drop that in the chat. So you can check that out. Folks do look doing a little bit more research on the right substrate. And then also we're rounding at the hour. So you got just over 20 minutes to ask your questions live. It'd be around with us today.

[00:34:44] Kaisha: We got a ride in from smooth cl. They were looking for some advice. If plants are sturdy and don't stretch much, should I bench steer the first week of flower to stretch them out?

[00:34:57] Jason: I sounds like something else that's going on [00:35:00] typically. We're starting far is going to be about the time that the plant is stretching almost as much as he need point in its life cycle. So Kip. Keep an eye out on how you're running your irrigations in your bedroom. Are there some environmental issues that are, I've put that plant into that position? There is a chance that it is.

[00:35:17] Jason: Strain related. And just keep an eye on. Remember what you're dealing with there, if it is strain related and document that and and give it a shot. See what happens when you block it out. Ends up doing a great job and [00:35:30] that's extraordinary. Degenerative leaning. Type of genetic.

[00:35:36] Seth: Yeah. There's so much out there. In genetics. It's really hard to pinpoint that. And then also, how is everything in bed? Like a common thing I've seen a lot. I know. You've seen a Jason's we've talked to some of the same places humidity and vege. PPFD and vege actually maximizing your vege. So your plants are coming in at the top of their game,

[00:35:54] Seth: if you've got. And I know myself, I'm a really bad. [00:36:00] Eyeball judge of light brightness, for instance. And that's one thing I've run into quite a bit as, Hey, I canopy level, you guys have 200 PPF eat before you flip, just because all the lights are mounted on one level across the whole room and all the benches are obviously the same level.

[00:36:14] Seth: A lot of the plants just aren't getting enough light. There's a lot of little rabbit holes. You can go down, but like we always talk, look holistically and make sure everything's in line before. And then you can start to dive into, is it genetic? And if it is.

[00:36:28] Seth: Sometimes a longer [00:36:30] veggies in order. Maybe trying to go. Pulse it pretty hard in bed. And then, yeah, we do see some plants with. I always use the Mac one as an example, when we're talking about stuff, But Yeah, going vegetative fairly early on to try to get that to stretch out, can sometimes be helpful.

[00:36:44] Seth: And if

[00:36:44] Jason: you've got. Multi-tiered with the limited Headspace, maybe you've found just the right strain for you. Yeah.

[00:36:52] Kaisha: Wonderful. Thank you. Smooth. Cl look out, keep us posted on what's going on over there. Oh, we got a little question here from Mike and Mikey. I'll read it. [00:37:00] If you want to unmute you. You're welcome to you, but he writes, how do you guys feel about steering old school strains versus newer market exotics? Say a king Louie versus lemon, cherry gelato. Have you seen astronomical differences in the program required? Ooh, I love that great question.

[00:37:16] Jason: Not super familiar with those strains specifically on what they prefer. But, yeah, we've, I've seen very significant differences in how strains can be grown optimally based on crops during.

[00:37:28] Seth: Yeah, I've noticed too. When we're talking about [00:37:30] old school screens, like OGs Hayes's, there are a lot of older sativas out there that like to stretch out quite a bit. So yeah, their program is generally quite a bit different for some of those.

[00:37:39] Seth: If we look at I've got like a super lemon haze, that's an awesome plan. I love that. I know it's going to take longer, but also I know that it's going to try to stretch quite a bit on me. Naturally. It likes to grow and be a big plant. So I'm going to run that pretty generative all the way through and then probably start to evaluate, okay, what kind of a market premium can I get for this? Because [00:38:00] if I can't get it into bulking and PR, if I know I go to bulking, I'm gonna lose quality. Then I've got to make sure that my premium on that pound is there to make it worth it, to,

[00:38:09] Seth: Have a strain that is a little bit more finicky and requires smart, careful inputs.

[00:38:16] Kaisha: Thank you for that question, Mikey. I love that. Yeah, we have so much going on and the genetics front so much new, but then I'm also starting to see a lot of classic people are starting to bring some of the classics back. I seem to see. Yeah. Mix things up in the market. All right. [00:38:30] Sending it over to you, Mandy. What's happening on YouTube.

[00:38:32] Mandy: Oh my gosh, what a great discussion. And we have some breaking news coming in over on YouTube. Our poll just came in, so we asked you guys the results just came in. What are the best terms for summer? And we couldn't have, we couldn't post every term, but we did put out Heinie curiof lane. Are you guys proud of me? I pronounced that. I think correctly.

[00:38:51] Mandy: And then other two And calculate all of the other ones. And then lemonade came in first with 15%, 50%. High-need was 33% and carry off a lane with seven, [00:39:00] 17%. So thank you all for answering that.

[00:39:03] Kaisha: What do you guys think? Uplift. Yeah. People want it. People want to feel good in the summertime at warm side, I feel like I like

[00:39:10] Mandy: if I'm a laminate in the best two.

[00:39:12] Mandy: So Peter had a question. Do you work with DLI indoors?

[00:39:19] Jason: Sure. Yeah. Ideally lighting into girls is. Accumulation of photons over a period of time typically, and we're in Farley. It's going to be. 12 hours. [00:39:30] What's our PPFD times. 12 hours is going to give us our DLI. And And you want to achieve the right amount of DOI. One of the nice things about DLI is.

[00:39:39] Jason: To allow us to set our light. Appropriate intensity when we go from 18 hour. Light cycle for vege two 12 hour. Light cycle for a flower because we'll want to increase our PPFD or light intensity so that we can match the DLI, make sure the client's getting the same amount of energy as it was coming out of

[00:39:57] Seth: the bedrooms.

[00:39:58] Seth: Yeah. And we [00:40:00] really use it as a kind of a bearing point to help us know what that number needs to be. And veg based on what we can achieve in Florida. But going back to. Oh, we get a lot of throwback kind of topics today, but With vege, if you've been edging under low light conditions.

[00:40:16] Seth: That's how you can figure out how high you need to get it up to you in order to maximize your production in flower time. Because you're either going to harden the plants off to that light and vege, or you're going to do it in flour and waste production time and ended up with a smaller plant because you can't [00:40:30] push as much light to them.

[00:40:31] Seth: Early on.

[00:40:35] Mandy: Awesome. Great notes for that. We had more questions come in this mid wants to know. When you say high BPD is that when transpiration is at its best or when transpiration is low, that always confuses me.

[00:40:48] Jason: Yeah. So it's going to be a bell curve when we look at ideal transpiration versus VPD.

[00:40:53] Jason: Typically our highest Phoebe or our highest transpiration rates are going to be in the ranges of about one to [00:41:00] 1.4. EPV. Typically when plants are younger running, We're going to keep things a little bit more humid, so wide that DVD on the low end being at the same 0.8 in badges can be just fine.

[00:41:09] Jason: And then basically what happens is we're looking at the steel model conductance. When we talk about transpiration rate is how much of the pores in this plant are open to the atmosphere? How much gas exchange is happening, how much water vapor are we losing through the stolemates. And basically when the humidity is too high or [00:41:30] temperatures too low looking at.

[00:41:31] Jason: VPD is low, then what's going on. Is those domains aren't going to be open as much. Basically the, environment's just not telling those things to be opened up. And basically as we start to get to, say one point to be in the mid range or that. We're still mates are going to be. As full open as they possibly can.

[00:41:49] Jason: Considering all other environments are in check. And basically what's happening there is they are in their happy spot to be. Letting off water and photosynthesizing at the max rate. [00:42:00] When we'd get too high of PPDs Avery up in that 1.8 range or any higher than that. It's ostomy. It's you're going to start closing up because they're trying to protect the plants from drying out.

[00:42:11] Jason: Really, they're just making sure that their water loss is not exceeding how

[00:42:15] Seth: much water they can uptake. Yeah. And I think one thing to really look at when you're trying to dial that a little bit is What are your plant morphology a little bit, if you've been running your vege a 2.0 BPD.

[00:42:25] Seth: Are you just struggling to get humidity into the room and either you're going to notice a [00:42:30] little bit different plant morphology. You'll have some kind of thicker, almost leathery leaves. That are Glossier and the stigmata on those leads themselves will be smaller. If you were to flip that leaf over and look at it under a dissection scope.

[00:42:40] Seth: VPD is very important if you can't get that in line That's really where you need to start making some investment. Yeah. Always say a low VPD. You're going to get mold butter rod and just poor plant growth in general. Super high. A totally different problem, but definitely not ideal either.

[00:42:59] Jason: And then also [00:43:00] think about your CO2 levels. What happens? It's really interesting because whenever I have people taking stemmata conductance readings I always tell them, Hey, make sure that your CO2 is a set. At an as a static level. Try and keep that as consistent as possible because typically when we get more CO2.

[00:43:17] Jason: Up to a point. And the plant is going to be. More water use efficient. And so it's still me. It turns to going to be a little bit smaller. So if we had a room ideal at say 600 PPM of. [00:43:30] CO2. If we went up to say a thousand PPM. With CO2. And there was adequate light. And the system with texts can be a little bit more closed. So keep that in mind when you're thinking about Stovall.

[00:43:41] Jason: All behavior.

[00:43:43] Mandy: That was a great breakdown. Oh my gosh. And don't forget you guys. We have some resources over on our website. We have a whole VPD overview that we just linked. So go check that out. Yeah. And learn all about BBB. We have a couple of more minutes left in the show. So I'm going to get to these questions. PG wrote in.

[00:43:59] Mandy: What [00:44:00] would be your go-to method for popping older seeds? I have a lot that don't seem to sprout up.

[00:44:06] Jason: I mean on a. Not a closet, gross scale. I like the paper towel in a Ziploc bag

[00:44:13] Seth: somewhere. Dark.

[00:44:15] Seth: Yes. I think what he's dealing with is you get a hard seed coat sometimes, especially on older seeds. And then also That's actually a trait that comes up fairly frequently in cannabis. My favorite. There's a little sheet. There's a little seed tracking tools. So basically it's a teeny [00:44:30] tiny press with a blade.

[00:44:31] Seth: But just splits that seed in half, essentially. That's a tiny crack in it so that the embryo or at root radical can come out. Or you can get real old school, their sandpaper, light acid bath. But basically what you're trying to do is just chip the integrity of that shell so that water can get in.

[00:44:49] Seth: And let it naturally start to swell and open up.

[00:44:53] Seth: People do use tissue culture for that as well. Embryo rescue is a thing. You're doing surgery on a seed, basically. But [00:45:00] simple methods, little seed crackers are like less than 20 bucks, I think. And sandpaper is dirt cheap as well.

[00:45:06] Mandy: Those are great notes and I'm taking those down because that explains a lot of my problems that I've had with aids. Chuck Manteo. Do you had a question? If I were to do a large shot, to feel capacity than do a long six to eight hour, a slow drip, for example, 0.01 GPH. What I get similar results as if I were running veggie cues or do I need to have a small maintenance shots or the [00:45:30] tiny dry backs during the long six to eight hour long window?

[00:45:35] Jason: A slow drip is going to be as vegetative as the balance gins. We've got bigger dry bags between each irrigation. It's getting slightly. More closer to the middle, to the balanced type of

[00:45:46] Seth: strategy. Yeah. I think it's important to have those PG drive backs. That's making sure you get good oxygen and air infiltration into the media.

[00:45:55] Seth: The thing I would worry about with the slow drip as if you're going up to field capacity and holding there. [00:46:00] You might start to see some signs of over-watering. Your media may stay very wet, not get asthma, not get the drive back. The we're looking for.

[00:46:09] Mandy: Awesome. Thanks for that. I think that's it for you two for now. So back over to UK HSA.

[00:46:14] Kaisha: Thank you, Mandy. While all that was going on, we had a whole conversation happening in the chat here about. Steering old-school strains versus newer market exotics and Mike and bill. But I don't know if you guys want to address any of that, but really great conversation happening. And then [00:46:30] Bilbo had a question. I will ask it for you Bilbo, and you're welcome to unmute yourself. You want to add to it?

[00:46:34] Kaisha: We want to know what's the thought around CO2 concentration with a 24 hour vege. Anything you want to add to that bill though?

[00:46:44] Seth: Yeah, sure. Hi.

[00:46:45] Bilbo: Basically just, we've been monitoring the DLI forced to run a 24-hour of edge due to environmental variances. And the easiest way was to just keep the lights on. Following.

[00:46:57] Seth: To, to two to 300 parts per

[00:46:59] Bilbo: million [00:47:00] above the DLR PPF at the canopy, it doesn't really leave me augmenting a CO2 in the environment. And I'm wondering if there's.

[00:47:10] Bilbo: Even anecdotal evidence that. I can increase that CO2 to a level that would be. Seen in a vege that was only 18 or 16 hours or whatever you

[00:47:22] Seth: decided to do. And under normal circumstance.

[00:47:29] Seth: I'd [00:47:30] just run standard concentration PPFD plus two, two to 300 right in there. The plant needs it. As long as the lights are on.

[00:47:38] Seth: So

[00:47:38] Bilbo: my. Having a 24 hour vege keeping the DLI in alignment. It doesn't have me running more than. 3 250 PPF. And then environmental CO2 being about 400, 4 58. If I say I'm at two 50 in a two 50 PPF, I'm going to add two 50 to 300 of CO2. I'm only [00:48:00] just 50 PPM above environment.

[00:48:02] Jason: So let's just do some numbers have been worked back from a flower.

[00:48:06] Jason: If you're going to flower. It's let's give it a pretty high intensity. Say. 800. PPFD so you'd be at say 400. PPFD at sure. 24 hours Leighton in edge.

[00:48:21] Jason: Yeah. So

[00:48:22] Seth: that's I think yeah, you're going to have to baby, those plants, sick human, the flour. At 24 hours matching DLI, isn't very equivalent because [00:48:30] the light intensity never gets very high at the least surface level. That's part of why matching. That's why we can match DLI going into flower.

[00:48:38] Seth: If you've got an 18 hour beds, just because you've already cranked that light intensity up enough. And the leads have grown in that higher light intensity. As far as the CO2 goes, Bilbo. Yeah. If your lights are that low, you really don't eat it. Good old home grass, no CO2 supplementation. Let's say, someone's one light closet.

[00:48:56] Seth: If you can get three or 400 PPFD and. 400 [00:49:00] PPM. That's probably about as good as it gets in a house, personally i think it's just going to be tough as long as you're having to deal with the 24 hour bed one option though might be to up that light intensity and shorten the bed up With 24 hour beds we're looking at the total amount of photons that go on the plants during the entire vege phase not just during the dli only applies when you have a dark period So now we're looking at what is the cumulative amount of photon? Photons that this would get over the entire bed cycle and if your lights are on [00:49:30] Yeah It's a longer, That'd be six hours longer than a day you're just getting that much more energy to the plant and growing at that much faster Is this thing Thanks for that Yeah otherwise i would just be really careful about bringing it into flour, low ppfd and just having to be patient with it Honestly they do they do

[00:49:52] Bilbo: really well there must be something

[00:49:54] Seth: in the water or a. Ppfd are you bringing them into flower up out of the two 50? [00:50:00] It's

[00:50:00] Bilbo: only two 50 right up until the end the dli Does go a little bit more sorry the ppf

[00:50:06] Seth: does go high or to four

[00:50:08] Bilbo: 50, sometimes five

[00:50:11] Seth: but it's only if the plants are able to take

[00:50:12] Bilbo: it in Is there any signs of stress or obviously we're keeping it down

[00:50:17] Seth: Yeah Backing it up. But in vegetation. And flower the first

[00:50:21] Bilbo: couple of days during that route in, we just manipulate the kpa in the room Yeah encourage that dry back and then

[00:50:28] Seth: it's off to the races[00:50:30] yeah it sounds like you've got it about as good as it's going to get with the 24 hour vege And yeah the cot it's just all about the numbers if you don't have enough light on them, you don't really need to go crazy with it Yeah. Cool thanks as. Yeah thanks for the question that's real brain scratcher I can see that So

[00:50:48] Kaisha: Great question bilbo yeah it's always good to hear directly from the folks who were doing it so thank you for that thank you for your insights and then mikey around the question around the feeding the older thief dealing with older seeds [00:51:00] wrote a small scrape on the shell or a drop of H. Oh on your paper towel. so got some advice from another expert here appreciate that All right we are rounding up the last few minutes here i'm going to ask this question cause i thought it was really good one a great over B opportunity here someone wrote in wondering about terrorists 12 cents replacement for pots That are tall and narrow what's the recommended way to approach the install

[00:51:26] Jason: Usually it's going to be a little bit higher it's still going to depend on the [00:51:30] dimensions of taller and narrower really the we've got the installation template and we have just tested different sized medias so those are the sizes that are printed on there is the heights that you know if you want to get that number for yourself do a water weight test that tells you how much percentage water content is in that. That substrate at saturation or field capacity And then oak your Terros 12 and then a few different levels and where those embers agree so if it feels past. It's [00:52:00] a 47% for whatever specific media you're using in that tall also, can you fag then Okay. That chose 12 and a few different heights and the height that says 47% is the one that i would use

[00:52:15] Kaisha: Boom there it is Thank you for that All right, mandy anything else happening on youtube we need to know about Oh my gosh

[00:52:23] Mandy: great show you guys great questions i love the discussion We got so many great shout outs peter said crap steering [00:52:30] is complex but i'm getting closer thank you guys so much for the input just mood we did the breakdown on bpd for him so he said that now that's an answer so thank you all for the very succinct breakdown on that and land in the outlandish wanted to say thanks always informative so yeah great show Actor you Kaisha

[00:52:49] Kaisha: Fantastic all right i think we're going to wrap it up here anything you guys want to send jason that you want to say before we wrap it up for the day? But a week.

[00:52:58] Jason: Oh, sorry. [00:53:00] Greenhouse GARS doctorate carvers. We're getting right into the summer i hope Everything has gone well up to this point and it's a time to see these plants run Yeah.

[00:53:09] Kaisha: Yeah And when you share them in the stories Grover's. Be sure to tag us We were able to help you out fantastic all right One more thing before we go remember to head over to a roy adat shop for some limited a roy limited edition a roy merge like the t-shirt i'm wearing right now we just opened last week and the items are flying off the shelf so you're going to want to get them while they're hot [00:53:30] mandy anything else we want to say before we go

[00:53:33] Mandy: Oh my gosh thank you guys for the love and remember to nominate us for our best podcasts cannabis pockets of the year with mj is thank you guys so much

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